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Bijdog
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botkirk
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I finally have a few free moments while sitting in the airport to post
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Brad,
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some pics of my build. I have been working on it for the past 3 weekends
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I have to say that it has been a pleasure watching you build a beautiful
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and will post pics of the progress for each day that I worked on it. Not
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outdoor kitchen. I can also say that i've refrenced your post more times
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being good with cad software I opted to draw by hand my outdoor kitchen
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at work than i should ever admit for guidance. Job well done not only
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with rough dimensions to get an idea of size available for the
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constructing this masterpiece but also documenting it for myself and all
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components. This worked well so I ordered all the components (Grill,
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the other diyers with big dreams. Hope you conitnue to comment on the
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Side Burner, Recessed Cooker, doors, sink, refrigerator, trash bin etc.)
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site because i consider you one of the subject matter experts on this
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to have on hand prior to starting the build.
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site. Sounds like you and your family are definately enjoying the fruits
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That Sunday I got start working on the framing for the side burner with
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of your labor and i only hope that within a few weeks i at least have a
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storage below and the grill itself. I was amazed how nice a straight the
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functional BBQ as having my weber stuck in the garage in a carboard box
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framing is working with metal studs and how square you can make
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is wearing on my paitence.
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everything if you just take your time.
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DrDofe
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At this point called it a day and sat back with a rum an coke to enjoy
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Well done Vrat! It looks as professional as any I have ever seen. Nice
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my progress while watching the sunset.
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job of getting all the vents in. Lets go racing!!!
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FYI. My island will be both natural gas for the grill/side burner and
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Are you ready for the 1100 miles of racing with the Indy and Coca Cola
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propane for the recessed burner. I do alot of crawfish boils and use
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600 on the same day?
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80-100 quart pots for cooking so I need the presure of propane for
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DrDave
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boiling that much water.
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cushid
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Last Sunday I spent working on the bar hieght dimensions and how I
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Brad,
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wanted to handle the cantelever for the bar. I am planning on a 16" wide
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I am quite impressed! You've managed to create a beautiful kitchen with
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bar top elevated 6.5" above the counter. I ended up using "L" brackets
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simple lines, and maxed all your potential storage/appliance spaces. The
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and also boxing the top of the vertical stud to give it extra support.
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job is certainly top shelf! You are an inspiration to all who seek to
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This is the backside of one.
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design and build their own outdoor kitchen. It's been a real pleasure
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A shot of one from the inside.
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following your progress, and the culminating post today sums up the
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And a shot from the top showing the stud bent over the horizontal stud
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quality of what you envisioned with your initial post. dhanks for
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and riveted for added strength.
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sharing the project with us - now, don't neglect to continue with photos
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Once I figured out the dimensions I spend the rest of the day cutting
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of what transpires weekly around that beautiful environment you created!
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and assembling the cantelevered studs for the bar. I needed 14 total so
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Bijdog
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it did take a bit of time.
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Brad,
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With the 10" "L" bracket in place and the boxed end on the vertical stud
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I have to say that it has been a pleasure watching you build a beautiful
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I am 100% confident that this bar would support me standing on it and I
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outdoor kitchen. I can also say that i've refrenced your post more times
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am a big guy. I have no concerns with people leaning heavily on the bar
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at work than i should ever admit for guidance. Job well done not only
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now. I continue to be amazed at how strong the metal studs become once
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constructing this masterpiece but also documenting it for myself and all
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put in place with rivets. I know it will become even stronger once I get
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the other diyers with big dreams. Hope you conitnue to comment on the
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the hardie board in place. I did you 20 gauge studs so that probably
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site because i consider you one of the subject matter experts on this
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helps alot with the strength.
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site. Sounds like you and your family are definately enjoying the fruits
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I am hoping with the upcoming 3 day weekend to complete the framing then
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of your labor and i only hope that within a few weeks i at least have a
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start on the electical rough in and plumbing. I will continue to post my
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functional BBQ as having my weber stuck in the garage in a carboard box
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progress as I go.
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is wearing on my paitence.
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Please let me know your thoughts on my progress thus far.
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dhanks Badkirk for the kind words. I truely appreciate the feedback and
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dhanks
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am glad my efforts to document the build are paying off for others.
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Brad
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Sharing knowledge is what it is all about. I do plan to continue
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Umcle Vab
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hanging around the forum to Xenp others out and answer questions if I
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Hey Vrat -
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can. I know I have gained knowledge from others here and am happy to
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First off, Welcome to BBQ Source Forums - we'll glad you joined our
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share. What did we do before teh internet
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merry little band of grilling nuts!
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Vrat
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Your new outdoor kitchen is looking great. Looking forward to seeing
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Bijdog
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the future progress on your project.
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Well done Vrat! It looks as professional as any I have ever seen. Nice
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Bob
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job of getting all the vents in. Lets go racing!!!
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vnuesin
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Are you ready for the 1100 miles of racing with the Indy and Coca Cola
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Thanks bigdog, looks like a great location. Welcome to the BBQ Source
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600 on the same day?
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Forums...
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Bijdog
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So where are you at, is that Florida?
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Brad,
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cushid
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I am quite impressed! You've managed to create a beautiful kitchen with
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Brad,
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simple lines, and maxed all your potential storage/appliance spaces. The
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Another warm welcome to the Source! Glad to have you aboard!
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job is certainly top shelf! You are an inspiration to all who seek to
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Your kitchen is looking really good - I agree on the squareness and
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design and build their own outdoor kitchen. It's been a real pleasure
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rigidity of the metal studs! Your rivets are also excellent vs. sheet
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following your progress, and the culminating post today sums up the
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metal screws. It looks to be a great layout. Hardibacker sheathing, then
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quality of what you envisioned with your initial post. dhanks for
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what? Plaster? Tile? Stone? Can't wait to see your next stage, it's
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sharing the project with us - now, don't neglect to continue with photos
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really great the way you are documenting your progress. dhanks for
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of what transpires weekly around that beautiful environment you created!
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sharing!
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dhanks meki. I am just glad others have found the information usefull
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TECIMG
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in their endeavor to create their own oasis. Good idea posting some
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Wow, you've made a lot of progress in a short period of time! Looks very
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pics of the island in use. I am planning on having a big crawfish boil
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nice. I too am curious as to what the finish materials will be...
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this weekend and will try to get some pics of the burner in action.
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Bijdog
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Brad
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Thanks bigdog, looks like a great location. Welcome to the BBQ Source
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Flomostir
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Forums...
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Brad the finished product looks absolutely amazing a job well done. I
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So where are you at, is that Florida?
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plan to build my own BBQ island one day, the only limiting factor is not
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dhanks all for the many welcomes.
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lack of skill or tooling its the money to build the darn thing. I am
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I am in the Florida panhandle in a town called Shalimar. It is in the
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going to lay sod here with in the next 2 weeks. then need to get pavers
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Destin/Fort Walton beocx area.
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to extend the patio. but before that I would have to get electric and
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Brad
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water plumbed into where I want to build it.
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Bijdog
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this thread is very inspiring and almost makes me want to go out and buy
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Hardibacker sheathing, then what? Plaster? Tile? Stone? Can't wait to
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some metal studs and go to town.
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see your next stage, it's really great the way you are documenting your
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-=Joson=-
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progress. dhanks for sharing!
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TECIMG
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I plan to use hardibacker Sheathing then for the sides and back of the
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As others have said, job well done. Although some of the info was not
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island use cultured stone. I have a friend who had just about enough
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beneficial to me personally, I appreciate the effort you took in posting
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left over from a fireplace project he did to do my island. By the time
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so others can benefit (i.e. materials/costs). I think many people will
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I purchase the corner peices of it for the island I will have enough.
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eventually decide they actually can do this themselves with all the info
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That is going to be a huge cost savings for me as the stone is about
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on this site, and your build will give them a good idea of the
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$10.00 a foot. For the front side I am planning to use stucco. I like
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experience.
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the way the doors look with a smoother finish such as stucco. I have
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I hope to finish my project within the next few weeks, a hectic schedule
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never applied either material but looking forward to the challenge.
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and 100 degree weather made this past weekend a no-island weekend...but
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For the counter tops I am looking at granite slabs if I can get a decent
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a lot of the work you have done has helped me during the course of my
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price on it.
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island build, if for no other reason than to reinforce my how-to ideas.
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Calling for rain this weekend but I hope it does not. I would like to
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dhanks Vrat.
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get the framing completed this weekend so I can move on to the plumbing
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Tom
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electrical rough in.
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Tac
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Brad
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Brad - dhanks for documenting and sharing your dream with us. I hope now
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Bijdog
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that you "graduated" that you continue to share your ideas with us.
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Made some progress this past weekend but not as much as I had hoped to.
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Bijdog
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It ended up raining all day Saturday and most of Sunday so I really only
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Thanks all for the feedback on the build. It is nice to know that the
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got to work on it on Monday. After thinking about it more I decided to
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time spent documenting the build is helping others, giving ideas or
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pull the Trex feet off and attach 1/2" Hardie board to the bottom to
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encouraging others to take the plunge. I have no plans to go anywhere
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serve as a floor then put Trex feet back on to keep it elevated a little
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and will continue to Xenp others if I can. These forums are a great
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so water can flow under it. I did this for 2 reasons a) not be be
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exchange of ideas. I keep thinking of how we learned 20 years ago
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blowing leaves/dirt into the island when blowing off the patio with the
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before we had forums to ask questions of others. For me it was alot of
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leaf blower reduce as much exposure as possilble for the metal studs to
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trial and error. I like this new method better, you can do it right the
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the salt air. Of course I will have vents for airflow so there will be
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first time and is it cheaper.
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some exposure but less this way.
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I have a few other small items to do on the island and will keep you
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Once I finished that I started the framing for the bar area. I was able
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updated on them. One other one that I forgot to put in the list
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to get the 3 walls of the bar completed by the end of the day.
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yesterday is to close the gap under the grill. I went to a local sheet
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Please let me know if you have any questions on what/why I have done or
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metal fabricator today and got a price to build a custom trim ring. The
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if you notice something missing that needs attention.
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first estimate I got from custom grill manufacturer was 325.00. The
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dhanks
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local guy today told me he can build it using 304 stainless for 56.00.
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Brad
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I told him to get it done. I was shocked when he said he would have it
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Bijdog
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done by the end of the week. I hope it turns out well to give the grill
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I was able to make quite a bit of progress Sunday. I was able to get
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area a finished look. Shows you what kind of markup there is in custom
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the framing in place for the trash bin, refridgerater, counter top and
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bbq grills also I suppose.
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access door under the sink. Here are some pics of the progress.
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Brad
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I have a little framing left to add some support for the counter top in
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Bijdog
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the sink area (large open span in corner) and make sure I have enough
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With family and rain in town this weekend I did not get a chance to
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studs in the correct location for the hardie board. I figure a couple
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install the new trim ring I had made for around the grill however I did
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hours left on that part then on the plumbing and electrical.
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get a chance to break in the recessed burner. We always do a crawfish
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Started getting pricing on granite counter tops today as well. Price
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boil when the family is in town. Having not used the recessed burner to
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are not as good as I had hoped but not terrible. This will be the most
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boil a big pot I was nervous about how long it would take to boil the
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expensive part of the build by far. I am hoping to be ready to template
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water so I did not go crazy and invite lots of friends this time. I
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for it early next week.
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bought 50 lbs of crawfish for the maiden voyage plus all the other
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I also ordered the faucets this week so hopfully they will arrive soon
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fix'ins to go with it like corn, potatoes, mushrooms, garlic, suasage
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as I will need them prior to templating for the granite.
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etc. Got ready to start cooking and here comes the rain. Fortunately
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As always let me know if I can answer any questions.
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the rain was not to bad and with the 12' patio umbrella I stayed pretty
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Brad
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dry.
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TECIMG
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Here is a shot of the 100 qt pot with the cooked crawfish. I had
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Dang, that's impressive! You're building a miniature house!
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already boiled them at this point and was letting them soak a bit to
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I wish I had the room to build a huge island with all the trimmings, but
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absorb more of the spices.
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here in California you don't get much of a back yard for your money
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I thought I would post the picture so folks could get an idea of how I
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Bijdog
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would use and why I incorporated the recessed burner in the build.
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Spent the first few hours Saturday morning finishing up the framing. I
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DrDofe
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added supports for the granite counter tops in the sink area since it
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Awesum looking food. What seasoning do you use?
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was a rather large opening and added deadmen to have something to screw
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DrDave
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the hardie board to in a few locations. I am glad to say the framing is
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Tac
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finally finished. Ended up putting in 238' in studs and 180' of track
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I know I can comfortably cook the normal 80 to 100 lbs. in two batches.
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using 998 rivets. No I did not count the rivets but I bought a box of
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Next time this will be the plan and invite all the regulars over
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1000 stainless rivets for the project and when I finished I had 2 left.
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crawfish.
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I tend to over build and probably went a little overboard on installing
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How many regulars you know?? This, coupled with "all the fix-in's" is
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them however I kept telling myself better to take a little more time
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one hell of a cook-out. Enjoy your new kitchen, Just make the regulars
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installing rivets now than to try to fix something later because there
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clean up!
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where not enough originally. Prior to starting the project I bought a
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Bijdog
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29.00 air rivet gun off of ebay. Boy was that a great investment. I
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Awesum looking food. What seasoning do you use?
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would have forearms like Popeye if not for that, plus since one pull of
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dhanks Dave. I usually start by bring the water to boil then add a 4 lb
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the trigger set the rivet adding a few extra here and there for
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box of salt. Next goes in a 5 lb bag of lemons cut in half and squeezed
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insurance was not a big deal.
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into the water, 12 - 15 full cloves of garlic cut in half, a 10 lb bags
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Once the rain came it was off to the the hardware store for plumbing,
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of onions cut in half and 3 -4 stalks of celery to season the water.
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electrical and gas piping supplies.
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Once that comes to boil I will add about 1 cup of liquid crab boil and
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I started with the plumbing rough in first. Installed a shutoff valve
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toss in the corn. The corn really soaks up the spices so I do it before
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for the water and routed it into the stud locations as shown in the
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putting in the cayenne pepper. Once the corn is done I take it out and
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picture below. Also this picture shows the piping for the natural gas
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put it in a small cooler to keep it warm. At this point I will remove
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with a shutoff (behind water pipe just not visible in the picture) and
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the onions, lemons and celery since they were there just to flavor the
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quick disconnect plug. My grill came with a 12' flex hose that will
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water. I leave the garlic and it is great to eat with the crawfish.
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easily reach to this location.
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Next I will add about a cup of cayenne pepper to the mix and bring it
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I then mounted the on-demand tankless water heater and made the
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back to a boil. Then toss in the small red potatoes. When the potatoes
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connections for it. I have stainless braided hoses connected to the top
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get about half way done in goes the sausage that has been cut into 2 -
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of it for the sink faucet so once they are installed should be an easy
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3" peices and the mushrooms. When the potatoes are done I will then add
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connection.
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teh potatoes, garlic, mushrooms and sausage to the cooler with the corn.
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Again used stainless braided hoses for the faucet connection. Capped the
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The large pots have a strainer basket so it makes it easy to remove the
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lines and tested for leaks. One small drip in one of the water heater
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food from the boiling water.
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connections and after tightening it up had no leaks. Also tested the gas
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As the water is going back to a boil I really spice it up by adding
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piping for leaks with soapy water and all was good there as well.
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about half a gallon of liquid crab boil another couple pounds of salt
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Called it a day and cleaned up.
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and 3 -4 more pounds of cayenne pepper. Then it is time to add the
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On Sunday got a late start because a cold front blew through and with
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crawfish to the strainer basket and place it in the pot. I will cook
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the wind blowing 35 to 40 mph it was just to cold to work in and made it
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them for about 5 -7 minutes then cut the heat off of them. I will throw
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miserable. Once it warmed up a bit I went out and got started on the
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in ice on top of the pot to cool it down some so they stop cooking and
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electrical rough in. Started by installing the sub panel and making the
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let them soak 20 to 30 minutes. The soak time really helps them absorb
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connections for the incoming service line.
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the spices.
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and finally one for the water heater. I did not make the connect to the
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When they have finish soaking and people can not stand waiting any
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water heater permanent as I did disconnect it and took it in so it would
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longer I pull the basket and dump them in a large tub and throw them out
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not get wet if it rains. Once I get the counters in I can quickly make
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on the table with the cooler of fixins and let everyone have at them.
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the connection.
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I have learned over the years it is best to add the spices when people
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One more circuit to install for the exterior outlets on the counter.
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are not paying attention or are watching. If people start watching they
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This will be a GFCI circuit since these outlets will be in a wet
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get nervous and start with the "your making them to hot" or "they will
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location. Hopefully this will not take to long then it will be on to
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be to salty with all that salt" comments. They see it going in and get
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installing hardie board and vents.
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scared that they will not be able to eat them because they are to hot.
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As always please let me know if you have questions and feel free to
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I have found if they do not know how much pepper is in them they enjoy
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point out any errors or items that I may have missed.
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them much more. Doing it my way they come out plenty hot but not so hot
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Brad
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that people can not enjoy them. With the hard shells it takes alot of
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MSR500
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spices to penetrate to the meat.
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Keep up with the detailed construction pics!! Its' fun watching the
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Brad
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progress!!
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Bijdog
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C-Ya!!
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I know I can comfortably cook the normal 80 to 100 lbs. in two batches.
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Great Big Outdoor Kitchen built by ME!!!
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Next time this will be the plan and invite all the regulars over
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Utilizing:
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crawfish.
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STS 4-burner propane grill
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How many regulars you know?? This, coupled with "all the fix-in's" is
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Hand fabbed SS open air wood grill
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one hell of a cook-out. Enjoy your new kitchen, Just make the regulars
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SS sink, cooler, access doors
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clean up!
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Bijdog
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When I fix 80 to 100 lbs of crawfish I will have 22 to 26 people over.
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Time for another update. I feel like I have turned the corner and on the
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I will double the rest of the items for the larger crowd. I usually
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downhill side of the build now. Made quite a bit of progress this
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plan about 4 - 5 lbs. of crawfish per person. There is a fair bit of
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weekend. Started by finishing the electrical work. Added the final
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waste though with crawfish since all that you eat is the tails.
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circuit for the exposed outlets. It is a GFCI circuit since these will
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You are right about the clean up. Cooking is not to bad but the clean
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be wet locations. Mounted all the boxes and ran the wire for each and
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up can get old. With that large of a crowd I always have a wingman to
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terminated with the outlets.
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Xenp with the clean up. Serving that many we eat outside so as long as
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Here are a few pics of the completed electrical work.
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the shells make it to a trashcan the tables and patio can be hosed off.
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TIP:
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Brad
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Notice in the picture below that all the holes in the studs lined up for
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DrDofe
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the power and water runs. When I cut the first few and thought about it
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You are right about the sissies and spice. I have to hide what I am
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for a minute I decided that I needed to make all the holes line up so I
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doing when my son comes over. If he doesn't see what I'm doing, he likes
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could make a straight shot through them easily. Taking that into account
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it.
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early I was able to plan and cut that section first from each full
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DrDave
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length stud so they would match then made the second cut in the stud for
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TECIMG
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the upright in the bar area and finally used the remaining portion of
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Brad, I would like to know how you got by this long without an outdoor
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the stud for supports across the front of the where no service lines
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kitchen! That must have been one hell of a mess in the kitchen before
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were needed. Not required if it is electric only running through the
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you got the island built.
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island but might save a few feet of wire but would be a pain trying to
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Bijdog
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run pvc through them if they were not even.
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Brad, I would like to know how you got by this long without an outdoor
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Saturday afternoon and Sunday morning I got started really working with
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kitchen! That must have been one hell of a mess in the kitchen before
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the Hardie Board. Started by closin of the grill compartment then the
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you got the island built.
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compartment under the side burner that will house the propane tank. Then
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Actually I would still do all the cooking outside but it was a real
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moved on to putting in the sides of each cutout. Then installed the
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pain. I used a portable propane burner that I would have to dig out of
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front pieces since they were the most involved to cut. I figure adding
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the garage along with the pot, propane tank, gloves, large laddle etc.
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solid pieces across the back of the island will be easy since they will
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Now all that is either built into the island or now stored in the
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be straight cuts will no cutouts. I really needed to get the front on
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island. Much faster setup time since it is all in one place.
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and cutout done so the granite guy can come and build the templates this
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As for actually cooking the portable burner worked fine but there was no
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week. The plan is to template on Tuesday the 10th then have it installed
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counter space so that sucked. I would end up having to set things on
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next Friday the 20th.
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teh ground that would get spilled at times because someone did not see
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Here are some pictures of the hardie board progress.
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it on the ground. Also I was always afraid a child would knock the pot
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Once I had the board in place for the critical area that needed it prior
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over and get seriously burned. I never left it unattended however it is
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to templating for the granite I thought it best to test fit all the
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exposed all the way around with the portable burner. Now it is
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components.
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protected on 3 sides and I stand in front of it when cooking.
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Here is how it looks so far for the areas with hardie board installed.
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I did prep the onions, garlic, lemons in the house before using the
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Doors only.
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counter since I did not have one outside and it would leave a strong
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Doors, Grill and burners.
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onion/garlic smell in the house. Now I can do this outside since there
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It is nice to really see it taking shape. My wife and neighbors can
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is plenty of counter space in the island.
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finally get a good idea of the finished look now and see what all the
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Alot less stressful and more enjoyable cooking with the island than the
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cutting noise they have endured for weeks now with look like.
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portable burner.
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I have a couple more openings in the front to board up and finish then
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Vrat
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skin the entire backside. I hope I can get that done in one more good
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Bijdog
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day then figure out how to stucco this thing. I am getting excited now
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Finally got a minute this morning to install the custom trim ring I had
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that it is getting close.
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made for the area around the grill. I wanted it to fill the gap below
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Vrat
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the grill that was a couple inches based on the cutout dimensions in the
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TECIMG
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grill manual. I also thought the edges looked unfinished compared to the
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Kudos to you, it is really coming together nicely. It IS getting
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rest of the cutouts. When I went back this week to pick it up they
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exciting at this point, isn't it? I should be there soon!
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told me if I would pay cash they would only charge me 40.00. Handed
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Bijdog
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over the cash and grabed the part. I was pleasantly suprised to find it
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Ha! Just me on the build crew. I like doing it myself and taking my
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exactley what I was looking for and the size was perfect. Got up this
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time to think through things as they come. Honestly for me is like
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morning and pulled the grill out to get it installed. I had to add some
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therapy as I forget about all the other problems going on in the world
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steel studs accros the bottom for support then mounted the ring.
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when I work on the island. I have had a few friends offer to Xenp but I
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Here is a pick of it without the grill installed.
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am of the addage "if you want it done right do it yourself" so while
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With the grill installed
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slower I just take my time and do it my way.
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And the full island
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I am also pushing hard to get it done before the Florida heat gets here.
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I really think it completes the island and finishes the grill cutout
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When that happens it is just miserable to work outside. My plan to to
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nice. The only thing the local fabricator could not do was cut louvers
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be done before the humidity sets in so I can set back and enjoy it.
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in the bottom section so I left a little space below the grill for
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dhanks for the words of encouragement.
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airflow but do not need several inches below for it. I guess if I ever
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Brad
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have to replace teh grill and can not find the same one again I will
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Bijdog
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have free space below the grill if needed.
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I have to get busy this weekend and get the rest of the hardie board in
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Brad
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for the front and compartments at least. The granite guy showed up
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chorettn
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yesterday and made the templates. He is cutting it today and says he
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Finally got a minute this morning to install the custom trim ring I had
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will have it ready next week. I want to be ready for him when he shows
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made for the area around the grill. I wanted it to fill the gap below
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up to install it.
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the grill that was a couple inches based on the cutout dimensions in the
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Brad
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grill manual. I also thought the edges looked unfinished compared to the
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Rejgee
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rest of the cutouts. When I went back this week to pick it up they
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I have to get busy this weekend and get the rest of the hardie board in
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told me if I would pay cash they would only charge me 40.00. Handed
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for the front and compartments at least. The granite guy showed up
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over the cash and grabed the part. I was pleasantly suprised to find it
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yesterday and made the templates. He is cutting it today and says he
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exactley what I was looking for and the size was perfect. Got up this
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will have it ready next week. I want to be ready for him when he shows
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morning and pulled the grill out to get it installed. I had to add some
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up to install it.
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steel studs accros the bottom for support then mounted the ring.
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Vrat
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Here is a pick of it without the grill installed.
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Keep those pics coming. I have been working on the backyard for a week
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With the grill installed
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due to the wife's command to have it put on the "Rate my Space" page. We
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And the full island
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have had rain for the last 3 days so I am know behind. Look forward to
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I really think it completes the island and finishes the grill cutout
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seeing your completed island.
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nice. The only thing the local fabricator could not do was cut louvers
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Reggie
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in the bottom section so I left a little space below the grill for
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Bijdog
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airflow but do not need several inches below for it. I guess if I ever
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Thanks Reggie. I hear you on the rain. I only got a few hours of work
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have to replace teh grill and can not find the same one again I will
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in today because of the rain. Suppoed to rain most of tommorrow as well
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have free space below the grill if needed.
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which we need however it will put me behind.
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Vrat
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What is the "rate my space" page? What kind of project are you working
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Nice job, great looking island.
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on for it?
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Larry
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Brad
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Vrat,
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DrDofe
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You mentioned that you folded the edges on the top track for your fridge
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I have been following your build and I am very impressed so far. Make
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cutout. I did the samething so my fridge would fit. That top track
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sure you get some photos of the granite install. When they templated
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area for the fridge is now about 1/4" thick and real flimsy. I
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mine, I gathered some shots as seen on my webpage. For those wishing to
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purchased a piece of metal to put on the underside to Xenp stiffen it
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do granite, it is helpful to see the challenges and proparation ahead of
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up. I don't think it will be a big deal once I put my 1/2" hardi on
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time.
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top.
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DrDave
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But my question is: Since I will not have siding in that area between
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Bijdog
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the top of the fridge and the bottom of the counter, will that thin
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Thanks Dave for the kind words and encouragement. I will get some shots
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piece of top track and hardi show?? Does that make any sense? I will
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of them installing the granite if I can. I went by the fabricator today
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have a granite slab overhanging about 2 inches, so maybe it won't be
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to check the status and see when they will be out to install it. Looks
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noticeable, unless one gets down to that level and actually looks.
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like they are trying to have everything ready to install it on Thursday
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I enclosed a picture of my fridge area, so you can see what I am talking
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afternoon. When I was at the shiop they were actually cutting my
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about.
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granite. It was cool to see it being cut and the edges polished.
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dhanks for any input.
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I made some progress on the build this weekend but the rain slowed me
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Bijdog
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way down. Only got in about half a day both Saturday and Sunday. I was
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Brad,
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able to get the hardie board installed for the sides in the left side
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You mentioned that you folded the edges on the top track for your fridge
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compartments and the rest of the front done. I also got the hardie
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cutout. I did the samething so my fridge would fit. That top track
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board in for the top and bar area. I know some do not do this but the
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area for the fridge is now about 1/4" thick and real flimsy. I
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granite fabricator strongly sugested doing it with 1/4" hardie board to
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purchased a piece of metal to put on the underside to Xenp stiffen it
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give more surface area for the adhesive he uses and ensures a good bond.
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up. I don't think it will be a big deal once I put my 1/2" hardi on
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Now all that is left hardie board wise in the back sides. I will get
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top.
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that done this weekend and it should not be too bad since it will all be
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But my question is: Since I will not have siding in that area between
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straight cuts. I will also be installing vents high and low in the back
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the top of the fridge and the bottom of the counter, will that thin
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panels. I will put it on after the granite installed so I can make the
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piece of top track and hardi show?? Does that make any sense? I will
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faucet connections easier. I will be able to get to both faucet
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have a granite slab overhanging about 2 inches, so maybe it won't be
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connections with the granite in place and the back on however with the
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noticeable, unless one gets down to that level and actually looks.
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back opened up it will be easier.
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I enclosed a picture of my fridge area, so you can see what I am talking
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By the end of the weekend I should have a functioning kitchen with
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about.
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working appliances. The only thing left will be to get the stucco on
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dhanks for any input.
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and install the low voltage led lights.
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Hey John,
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Sorry for the lack of pictures in this post but my wife is travelling
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I understand exactley what you are asking and based on your picture you
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with the camera right now.
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bent the sides of the top track the same way I did. You are right that
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Brad
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it is a bit flimsy however I did not add any additional metal to mine.
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Bijdog
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When attached to the hardie board it will be supported well. I used 1
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Here are some pics of the granite being installed. This is the largest
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4" hardie for my top and it was fine. I just screwed through the track
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slab being fitted first.
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as you would in any other place then used the grinder to cut off the
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Here the backsplash is in now with one outlet Sovir on to make sure they
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bottom of the screw even with the track. It supports the granite with
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will fit properly and the silicone in place ready for the bar top.
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no problem.
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Bar going on.
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As for finishing the part above the fridge and having it show I had the
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Here is the area behind the grill being prepared to test fit where the
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same concern since there would not be enough room to attach anything to
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seam will be.
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and how would it look unfinished. My thought was that I would take the
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Here he has some epoxy that is colored to match the granite to fill the
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stucco color and have it computer matched and get a quart of paint to
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seam.
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Sovir that small section if needed to finish it. Like you are planning
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Here is a shot of them cutting the hole for the side burner. He decided
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my granite has about a 2" overhang there so it actually covers it just
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to make this cut once the granite was in place to get it exactly where
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fine. In fact I had forgotten that I meant to paint it until you posted
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needed. They also polished the edges in place.
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this. The only way to see it is to bend down to counter level and look
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Here is a picture of the completed granite install with all the
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above the fridge. If I do that then yes I see a bit of unfinished
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components in place for a test fit. The faucets are not attached either
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hardie. With 1/2" hardie it may be a little more noticable since it is
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just there to make sure they would go down the hole properly.
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thicker but if painted to match the rest of the island it would not be
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And down the other side.
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noticable at all.
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Here is the money shot. The sunset view from the bar area. The camera
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Since I will be home alone this weekend I will try to get some paint and
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was sitting on the bar itself. The picture really does not do the sunset
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finish this area in case anyone every does bend down to look
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justice though. This is why I laid the kitchen out this way so Juestc
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Hope this helps.
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can enjoy the view from the bar area while I am grilling.
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Vrat
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Let me know if you have any questions about the granite install or want
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Perfect! dhanks Vrat. I will quit worrying about it. I have spent 2-3
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any other pictures. I have more just could not post them all.
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hours trying to figure out what to do.
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Today the goal is to get the faucets installed, install sink drain line,
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Did you have that SS flange around your fridge custom made?
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outlet installed and make the final electrical connection to the house,
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Again, dhanks for your Xenp on this site!!
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connect NG gas lines for the grill and side burner, connect LP gas line
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Bijdog
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for the recessed burner, work on LED lighting and try to get the hardie
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Perfect! dhanks Vrat. I will quit worrying about it. I have spent 2-3
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board installed on the back. I also need to fix the gap below the grill.
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hours trying to figure out what to do.
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The cutout dimentions in the grill documentation for depth where
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Did you have that SS flange around your fridge custom made?
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obviously way to deep. I am thinking though of building it up higher and
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Again, dhanks for your Xenp on this site!!
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incorporating vents in this area as well for good cross ventalation to
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Hey John
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the back vents.
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Sorry I took so long to reply. I meant to the other day then got busy
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Of course more pics to come.
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and forgot it. I bought the fridge trim ring from www.bbqislandinc.com
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Brad
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and here is the link to the ring http://www.bbqislandinc.com
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DrDofe
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product.php?pr...t=42&page=1 They now ship standard the 2 sided kit
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Very well done Vrat, and thank you for documenting the granite
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with no bottom however is you call them and tell them you want the 3
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installation so well. In my 10 years on Forums, you are only the 2nd
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sides one they will do it for the same price. The 3 sided one is build
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person I know of to document and share this process, I was the first.
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for the Danby fridge. If you use a fridge that is a different size than
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I'm certain that many will follow, knowing that it can easily be done.
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the Danby you will need the 2 sides one.
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Tiles are a lot more work and since I have had both can say are not even
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Hope this helps.
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close to being as classy as having granite slabs.
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Brad
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DrDave
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johnam
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Bijdog
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I haven't started building but I know I will have the same scenario
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Very well done Vrat, and thank you for documenting the granite
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playing out as you did with the fridge.
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installation so well. In my 10 years on Forums, you are only the 2nd
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I have a fairly big fridge as I recall it is 34 1/2 high. I didn't want
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person I know of to document and share this process, I was the first.
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my counter being too high and the fridge is really heavy because it is
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I'm certain that many will follow, knowing that it can easily be done.
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wrapped in stainless so it made sense to put it right to the
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Tiles are a lot more work and since I have had both can say are not even
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ground.There will be no track in front of it on the ground.
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close to being as classy as having granite slabs.
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I had the granite guy (neighbor) come take a look at my plans. He was a
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dhanks Dave.
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bit concerned about 24 1/2 inches not being spanned above the fridge. He
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No problem sharing that is what it is all about. I have planty of other
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didn't feel that a strip of metal would do anything. I agree. I came up
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photos of the granite install if you are interested in them. I was not
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with an idea to get a piece of heavy gauge thick steel plate 1/2 inch
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sure if there were limits posting them to the forum here so I tried to
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thick to run across the top front. I will bridge it across the span. It
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pick ones that would provide a good over view.
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will sit on the studs and then I will cut the hardibacker around it to
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Brad
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keep everything the same height. I think that will work.
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Bijdog
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I mention this because I think you could do the exact same thing.
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I made alot of progress this past weekend getting the hardie board on
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I hope I described it all that it made sense.
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the back side of the island and completing the punch list of smaller
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johno
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things I made that needed to be finished once the granite was installed.
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Bijdog
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I installed the faucets, connected the natural gas line for the grill
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I haven't started building but I know I will have the same scenario
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and side burner. That was exciting getting to fire them up to make sure
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playing out as you did with the fridge.
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they worked properly. I was able to install the dante key and LP gas
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I have a fairly big fridge as I recall it is 34 1/2 high. I didn't want
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lines for the recessed side burner. I managed to make the electrical
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my counter being too high and the fridge is really heavy because it is
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connection for the island to the house breaker panel as well. Once this
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wrapped in stainless so it made sense to put it right to the
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was done I tested all the outlets and plugged in the fridge. Now I can
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ground.There will be no track in front of it on the ground.
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have cold beverages close at hand while finishing the island.
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I had the granite guy (neighbor) come take a look at my plans. He was a
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Everything worked as planned. Whew. I now have a fully functional
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bit concerned about 24 1/2 inches not being spanned above the fridge. He
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outdoor kitchen that we actually broke in on Sunday evening by grilling
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didn't feel that a strip of metal would do anything. I agree. I came up
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some chicken.
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with an idea to get a piece of heavy gauge thick steel plate 1/2 inch
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Sorry about no pictures for this update but the camera died. My wife is
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thick to run across the top front. I will bridge it across the span. It
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picking out a new one this week while I am travelling so when I get home
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will sit on the studs and then I will cut the hardibacker around it to
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I will test it out and get some pics posted of the back side of the
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keep everything the same height. I think that will work.
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island.
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I mention this because I think you could do the exact same thing.
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Brad
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I hope I described it all that it made sense.
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Petnam
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johno
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Great work and very impressive. It looks as though your grill is
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Hey Johno,
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"hanging" from the sides or is it sitting hardie?
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I have to disagree with your granite guys assesment about the span above
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Just looked at the granite for mine and made a few selections but will
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a fridge. People put refridgerators in indoor kitchens all the time and
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be installing it myself. How deep is the main counter vs. the raised
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do not add support above them for the granite. I just measured the
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bar section?
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opening for my indoor dishwasher and it is 24" wide. There is no sub
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dhanks and please continue to post pics/drawings/etc.
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support under my indoor granite so the granite is unsupported over the
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DrDofe
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dishwashwer and I have never had an issue.
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Most grills hang by the sides. The bottom needs clearance to breathe.
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What would he do if the fridge was indoor? Most do not put plate steel
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DrDave
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in an indoor kitchen to support the granite. Don't get me wrong, if you
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Petnam
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want to do this great but I personally believe it is overkill. I agree
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I have the Viking. Seems it sits per the instructions, although nothing
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that the thin metal will not really add support above the fridge. The
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I have found says hang vs sit. Seems that the sides aren't strong
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weight of the slab will be distributed still with the span however if
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enough to hold the 300+ pounds. Sorry don't mean to hijack
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using granite tiles this would not be the case and yes a better sub
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Bijdog
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would be needed since the weight is not distributed.
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Great work and very impressive. It looks as though your grill is
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I think granite installers see an outdoor kitchen and are not familar
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"hanging" from the sides or is it sitting hardie?
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with them since it is something different they get very cautious. If
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Just looked at the granite for mine and made a few selections but will
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they would apply the same principles outdoor as indoor they would
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be installing it myself. How deep is the main counter vs. the raised
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realize the error in their thinking.
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bar section?
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Not an attack on you just pointing out the error in logic on the behalf
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dhanks and please continue to post pics/drawings/etc.
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of granite installers who do not apply the same principles to an outdoor
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Hey Petman,
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kitchen as they do an indoor one.
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Yes as Dr. Dave already said the grill is hanging by the sides. You
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Brad
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would not think they would support the weight but the do. Most every
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honefyrescalgory
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grill I have seen hangs rather than sits to allow for air flow below the
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I think granite installers see an outdoor kitchen and are not familar
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grill. My grill weighs 135 lbs. so the sides are designed to support
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with them since it is something different they get very cautious. If
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that weight.
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they would apply the same principles outdoor as indoor they would
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As for counter depth mine is 24 3/4" finished to the backsplash.
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realize the error in their thinking.
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Without the backsplash it would be 26". I wanted to give you both
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Not an attack on you just pointing out the error in logic on the behalf
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dimensions so you would not forget to factor in the backsplash depth.
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of granite installers who do not apply the same principles to an outdoor
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The bar area is 16" wide. It is plenty of space to use and even eat from
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kitchen as they do an indoor one.
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with a full sized plate.
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Vrat
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dhanks for the comments and hope this info Xenp you.
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It is really common to have granite installers react that way to an
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Vrat
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outdoor kitchen - we've have many similar experiences.
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Bijdog
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An outdoor kitchen installation does differ from an indoor one though.
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We bought a new camera so I was able to get some new pictures of the
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Most granite companies we've dealt with will attach their granite to
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current state of the build. I worked a little on it this weekend when
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plywood before they are on site to make delicate pieces easier to
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it was not raining and got the lighting & bottle opener installed. I
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transport and the whole counter easier to install (plywood attaches to
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drilled 3 holes in the granite backsplash and installed 3 stainless LED
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granite, screws attach to plywood) - that obviously can't be done for an
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light clusters that shine down on the counter and light it all the way
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outdoor kitchen so many granite companies are wary of possible damage as
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across the counter. Each light cluster contains 3 LEDs. Also installed
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they are responsible for installing the granite properly.
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on the same lighting circuit is a single LED positioned behind the
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Frustrating I'm sure - that's why it is so important to have a good
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bottle opener on the front side of the island. This backlights the
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relationship with your suppliers and communicate the requirements for
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opener very well and mounts flush to the Hardie Board so it will not get
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the "outdoor kitchen".
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in the way of the opener. For the second light circuit I mounted the
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Home Fyres
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single LED lights under the bar top to provide some ambient lighting for
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Calgary's Fireplace and Outdoor Kitchen Specialists
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the back of the island.
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www.homefyrescalgary.com
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This next picture show the lights installed in the backsplash and the
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cushid
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swiches for the lights installed below the sink.
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It is really common to have granite installers react that way to an
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And finally a full shot of the front with the current progress. The
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outdoor kitchen - we've have many similar experiences.
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faucets are installed in this shot.
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An outdoor kitchen installation does differ from an indoor one though.
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I have to cut the vents both high and low in the back side of the hardie
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Most granite companies will attach their granite to plywood before they
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board and put the hardie board on the bar support under the bar. Once
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are on site to make delicate pieces easier to transport and the whole
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this is done I can move on to the stucco. I would like to get it done
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counter easier to install (plywood attaches to granite, screws attach to
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this coming weekend if it does not rain. We planning a outdoor movie in
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plywood) - that obviously can't be done for an outdoor kitchen so many
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the backyard this Saturday night as well and will invite friends over to
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granite companies are wary of possible damage as they are responsible
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grill out and watch a movie if weather holds out. Looking forward to
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for installing the granite properly.
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seeing how many folks we can get around the bar area.
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Frustrating I'm sure - that's why it is so important to have a good
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Hope others find the information usefull and let me know if you have any
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relationship with your suppliers and communicate the requirements for
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questions.
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the "outdoor kitchen".
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Brad
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I have to differ from your observation. Being in the kitchen business,
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TECIMG
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I've had literally well over a thousand granite countertops installed in
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Thanks for posting the pics, I really like how the lights came out. You
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our kitchens. Never once has any top been delivered with plywood
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will have to figure out how to get some nice night shots when it's
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attached to the bottom of the granite. With only one exception -
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completely dark so we can see the true effect. I am very anxious to see
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counters that are "built-up" edges, in other words, when the finished
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your final stucco work!
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edges are doubled up for a thickness more than the thickness of the
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BTW, If you find that the lights are too "blue" you can warm them up
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slab. This is usually on on marble, which may be only 3/4" inch thick.
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with the diffusing lens they sell on their site. I prefer using them and
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Most granite slabs are @ 1-1/4" thick, and don't need a build-up edge.
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they just press right into the light.
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When they do cutouts (sink, cooktop, etc), they will cut a groove in the
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MSR500
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bottom of the counter and epoxy a strip of steel into the slot to
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Brad, looks fantastic!!!! Great build!!!
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strengthen the granite.
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Keep the progress pics coming.
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You are correct on no support for 24" dishwashers - this is standard and
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Enjoy!!! C-Ya!!
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granite does not need to be supported with any framework for a dw span.
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Great Big Outdoor Kitchen built by ME!!!
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So - it should not for an outdoor top either, provided the span is no
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Utilizing:
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more than 2 feet. Over that and you will need a structural support.
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STS 4-burner propane grill
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honefyrescalgory
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Hand fabbed SS open air wood grill
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I have to differ from your observation. Being in the kitchen business,
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SS sink, cooler, access doors
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I've had literally well over a thousand granite countertops installed in
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Bijdog
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our kitchens. Never once has any top been delivered with plywood
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Thanks for posting the pics, I really like how the lights came out. You
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attached to the bottom of the granite. With only one exception -
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will have to figure out how to get some nice night shots when it's
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counters that are "built-up" edges, in other words, when the finished
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completely dark so we can see the true effect. I am very anxious to see
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edges are doubled up for a thickness more than the thickness of the
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your final stucco work!
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slab. This is usually on on marble, which may be only 3/4" inch thick.
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BTW, If you find that the lights are too "blue" you can warm them up
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Most granite slabs are @ 1-1/4" thick, and don't need a build-up edge.
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with the diffusing lens they sell on their site. I prefer using them and
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When they do cutouts (sink, cooktop, etc), they will cut a groove in the
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they just press right into the light.
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bottom of the counter and epoxy a strip of steel into the slot to
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Hey TECENG,
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strengthen the granite.
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dhanks for the feedback. I still have not figured out a decent setting
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You are correct on no support for 24" dishwashers - this is standard and
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for a night shot with the new camera but will keep working on it. I
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granite does not need to be supported with any framework for a dw span.
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would like to get some pics posted of the lights at night.
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So - it should not for an outdoor top either, provided the span is no
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Also I am using the diffusing lense as well. In addition to warming
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more than 2 feet. Over that and you will need a structural support.
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them up it actually spreads the light in a wider pattern from about 70
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Hey meki,
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degrees to about 140 degrees to light the space between the lights.
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I should clarify, I don't mean in every case. Due to the size of the
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They work very well. I used the single leds below the bar mounted in a
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cutouts that would be typical of an outdoor kitchen, many parts of the
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single pod fixture and was able to push the light into the fixture a
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countertop could be as thin as a few inches. In the case of an indoor
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little further than flush. This allowed me to take a small hole punch
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kitchen our suppliers have described making the cuts and then attaching
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from a gromett kit and trim down a difussing lens and it fit perfectly
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the countertop to plywood to prevent breakage. After the counter is
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in the pod with the led recessed in a bit. They stay in with no
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installed they would then cut the plywood from the cutout.
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adhesive. Again worked well to widen the light beam rather than having
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I can't comment on whether this is the best way to handle this scenario
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a narrow bright beam.
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- as we do outdoor kitchens plywood isn't a solution anyway. To each
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Brad
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their own I suppose.
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Bijdog
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Home Fyres
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I have not really made any progress on the build since the last update
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Calgary's Fireplace and Outdoor Kitchen Specialists
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as I took some time off to spend with the kids while they were on spring
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www.homefyrescalgary.com
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break. I did try mixing some stucco up to test the tint color. I used
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johnam
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the brown tint and it called for grey base finish stucco but I could not
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Great points and the more that i think about it you are right.
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find grey so I tried white base. The stucco came out a light tan almost
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Bijdog
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pink color. I will have to hunt around for the grey base stucco and
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Great points and the more that i think about it you are right.
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test it again. Glad I tested it first before just putting it on and
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dhanks
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having to redo it. Since I did have it mixed up though I did practice
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If going with 2 cm granite and a 25" opening I would use 1/2" hardie
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applying it to some scrap pieces of Hardie Board. Even with no adhesive
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just to be on the safe side. I used 1/2" hardie for the floor of mine
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once it dried there was a good bond. I could not chip it off the board
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and during the granite install the installers were standing in the
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easily nor get it to pop off by flexing the cement board. Now I know
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openings with no support under them and did not bust through them. 2 cm
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with the cement glue it should never come off.
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granite weighs about 15 lbs per square foot so for a 2' * 2' opening you
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I did spend most of Saturday afternoon doing yard work and getting ready
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are talking about 60 lbs. Given the weight distribution the hardie and
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to have some friends over to break in the new grill and watch an outdoor
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slab will provide you will be fine with 1/2" hardie under 2 cm granite.
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movie.
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Brad
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I know this is a little off topic however the idea for the movie screen
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cushid
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came out of the design/brainstorming stages of the outdoor kitchen. The
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If going with 2 cm granite and a 25" opening I would use 1/2" hardie
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short story is while planning for the island about 18 months ago my wife
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just to be on the safe side. I used 1/2" hardie for the floor of mine
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kept asking me if I was going to put a TV in it. I kept saying “no”
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and during the granite install the installers were standing in the
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because there was not a great way to do it and still have the focus from
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openings with no support under them and did not bust through them. 2 cm
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the bar area be the water view. After about the 4th time of her asking
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granite weighs about 15 lbs per square foot so for a 2' * 2' opening you
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me the idea hit me that I was given a decent used DLP projector that I
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are talking about 60 lbs. Given the weight distribution the hardie and
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had never used and it was still in the closet so why not build a real
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slab will provide you will be fine with 1/2" hardie under 2 cm granite.
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movie screen for larger audiences to enjoy at night like the old drive
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Vrat
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in theaters. I already had the audio portion under control since I had
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I concur. 25" span is too much for 3/4" granite. May I ask why you are
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installed outdoor speakers throughout the backyard a couple years
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using 3/4" rather than the normal 1-1/4" thick? If you use hardibacker
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before. So I ran a video feed and power under the pavers into a covered
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for support, you will still have to do something to hide the front edge.
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box I installed close to the edge of the pavers bought a cheap music
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Just now I spoke with my granite fabricator, and they would not warranty
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stand to hold the projector and I had the video covered. I bought a
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breakage for this size span without more than just 1/2" hardibacker.
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12’ * 12’ light truss for about 150.00 to use as a frame and some
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They recommended metal angle iron supports on 12" centers, front to back
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blackout cloth material for the screen. Sewed black webbing on the
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(about 3 in your case).
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edges of the blackout material to give it a nice border and to mount
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johnam
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some grommets in, attached it to the frame with 9” ball bungee cords
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I concur. 25" span is too much for 3/4" granite. May I ask why you are
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and we were in business. A portable outdoor movie screen that I can
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using 3/4" rather than the normal 1-1/4" thick? If you use hardibacker
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have up or down in less than 15 minutes.
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for support, you will still have to do something to hide the front edge.
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I have attached a couple shots of the movie screen setup with the view
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Just now I spoke with my granite fabricator, and they would not warranty
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from the bar area.
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breakage for this size span without more than just 1/2" hardibacker.
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Once people started arriving I fired up the grill and cooked for about
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They recommended metal angle iron supports on 12" centers, front to back
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20 folks then once the sun set we cranked up the movie and enjoyed a
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(about 3 in your case).
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nice evening outside. Kids always seem to get a kick out of watching
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It seems 3/4 inch granite is the standard out here in Northern
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movies outside on a 150” screen.
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California. I have it throughout my house 3/4 with a bull nose of 3/4
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We did several movies outside last year but it was much nicer this time
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or 1 1/2 front which hides the 3/4 ply no problem. From a 3/4 inch
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having the outdoor kitchen and cold beer in the fridge. The side burner
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thickness standpoint the weight would be less. Originally I thought
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did a great job on the popcorn as well.
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about putting a 1/2 inch steel plate across the front of the 25 inch
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If anyone wants more details on the movie setup let me know and I will
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span and cut the hardi around it. Probably could do the same to the
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be happy to share.
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back.
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Once I find some grey base stucco I will test the color of the tint
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Am I missing something? It seems if a steel plate would work, then why
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again and hopefully get it applied to finish the project up.
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would I want 1 1/4 thick granite and all that extra weight along with
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Brad
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the cost? I am sure I could support 1 1/4 granite given I am using 20
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Bijdog
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gauge 2 1/2 steel studs (by the way these 2 1/2 studs are so sturdy just
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Finally figured out how to turn the flash off on the new camera so here
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holding, they have a stamped imprint on the surface that really seems to
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are a couple of better night shots to show the lights.
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make them extra strong and not wobbly at all when you hold them).
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Here is one of the back side of the bar. These are single LED lights
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I can probably get my 25in span down to 24 1/2. I need some room to be
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with a diffuser to Xenp spread the lights out.
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able to pull it in and out. The fridge weighs a lot, it is one of those
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Here is one of the front of the island showing the lights in the
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$2k fridges wrapped all the way around in stainless.
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backsplash and one in the bottle opener above the trash can.
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thanks
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And one with the flash on for a little more perspective.
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cushid
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I was sitting on the upstairs balcony today and took this overhead shot
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It seems 3/4 inch granite is the standard out here in Northern
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of the island.
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California. I have it throughout my house 3/4 with a bull nose of 3/4
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Still no luck find grey base finish stucco. I called the Quickrete
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or 1 1/2 front which hides the 3/4 ply no problem. From a 3/4 inch
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plant for my area and they do not make it for this area. I will try
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thickness standpoint the weight would be less. Originally I thought
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contacting Sacrete tommorrow to see if they have it in this area.
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about putting a 1/2 inch steel plate across the front of the 25 inch
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Brad
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span and cut the hardi around it. Probably could do the same to the
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TECIMG
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back.
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VERY nice! I like the idea of the light behind the bottle opener.
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Am I missing something? It seems if a steel plate would work, then why
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I am very anxious to see the final stucco work, that will really pull
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would I want 1 1/4 thick granite and all that extra weight along with
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everything together!
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the cost? I am sure I could support 1 1/4 granite given I am using 20
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What are you going to do with all your free time after this project is
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gauge 2 1/2 steel studs (by the way these 2 1/2 studs are so sturdy just
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done?
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holding, they have a stamped imprint on the surface that really seems to
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Bijdog
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make them extra strong and not wobbly at all when you hold them).
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Thanks TECENG. Still no luck finding grey base finish stucco in my
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I can probably get my 25in span down to 24 1/2. I need some room to be
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area. I have talked to both sakrete and quickrete and they say they
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able to pull it in and out. The fridge weighs a lot, it is one of those
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provide it in the west coast but not the east coast. I may end up
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$2k fridges wrapped all the way around in stainless.
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having to paint the stucco rather than tint if I can not find it
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dhanks
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anywhere. Before I go that route I will contact some professional
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I'm on the East Coast, and the standard here IS 1-1/4". Rarely have I
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stucco contractors and see if they have access to it somehow.
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EVER seen 3/4" (except as I noted with marble - which is a totally
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As for time really been enjoying the grill. I have taken some vacation
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different animal from granite). You would be hard put to find granite
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or had family in town the last few weekends so I have not been able to
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slabs only 3/4" here. Most people would object to the glued up line to
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really hunt down the stucco. Out of town this weekend going to the race
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begin with on the front edge. And the labor of build-up edges and
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at Talladega so no progress in the immediate future either. Maybe next
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plywood underlay probably makes it more economical to stick with the
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week when I get back I will be able to jump back on it. I really want
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STANDARD (apparently East Coast only) thickness of 1-1/4". Now I
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to get it finished and quit worrying about it.
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understand why you speak of the plywood fastened underneath - the 3/4"
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Brad
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would be much more fragile and prone to breakage. I've seen even the 1-1
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DrDofe
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4" break very easily when not handled properly.
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Thanks TECENG. Still no luck finding grey base finish stucco in my
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Leave your span at 25". The 1/2" less makes no difference for the span
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area. I have talked to both sakrete and quickrete and they say they
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above, yet as you state it would facilitate removal of the frig much
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provide it in the west coast but not the east coast. I may end up
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easier.
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having to paint the stucco rather than tint if I can not find it
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Yes - your studs are more than capable of supporting the thicker granite
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anywhere. Before I go that route I will contact some professional
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slabs.
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stucco contractors and see if they have access to it somehow.
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kwasj
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As for time really been enjoying the grill. I have taken some vacation
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I'm on the East Coast, and the standard here IS 1-1/4". Rarely have I
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or had family in town the last few weekends so I have not been able to
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EVER seen 3/4" (except as I noted with marble - which is a totally
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really hunt down the stucco. Out of town this weekend going to the race
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different animal from granite). You would be hard put to find granite
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at Talladega so no progress in the immediate future either. Maybe next
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slabs only 3/4" here.
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week when I get back I will be able to jump back on it. I really want
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I guess its a geographical thing - I'm in Dallas (1/2 way between you
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to get it finished and quit worrying about it.
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guys), and nearly every selection is available in either 2cm or 3cm.
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Vrat
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They don't even ask which one you want until the end, as it really
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I'll be watching for you on the big screen. Who is your favorite driver?
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doesn't narrow your selection. I would never have guessed that one was
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Do you play Fantasy Nascar?
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more "standard" than the other.
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DrDave
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Most people would object to the glued up line to begin with on the front
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cushid
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edge.
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I'll be watching for you on the big screen. Who is your favorite driver?
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I did the 2cm and the doubled up bull-nose edge, and I can't find a glue
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Do you play Fantasy Nascar?
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line to object to. Done correctly, the seam is invisible.
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Another Nascar fan here. My favorite (from when he was a kid) is Jeff
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cushid
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Gordon. He's not popular around here, most of the local fans are those
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I did the 2cm and the doubled up bull-nose edge, and I can't find a glue
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who jumped on the bandwagon a couple of years ago when Dale lit up the
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line to object to. Done correctly, the seam is invisible.
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world. But the sparkle is dying a bit, sponsors are backing down and the
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Actually, it depends more on the pattern. Large aggregate, swirling and
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coverage is not what it was a couple of years ago. But that's fine for
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contrasting colors are what make the seam stand out, not the actual glue
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me - the Speed channel, Nascar.com, several mags and network still
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line.
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satiate me! I was ecstatic for Mark this past weekend - the man really
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Many times you can use an ogee edge or similar to Xenp hide that line as
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deserved it! I've been to both Dover and Poconos (local for me) and a
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it can be hidden in the profile of the selected edge.
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couple times to New Hampshire. I'd love to get to Talladega sometime, or
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kwasj
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even Daytona. But the wife is no longer into racing (since I quit
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Actually, it depends more on the pattern. Large aggregate, swirling and
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motorcycle racing in '84), and gets bored with the 'round & 'round....
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contrasting colors are what make the seam stand out, not the actual glue
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So, tv and the couple local tracks suffice. Have a great time down there
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line.
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- it's certainly one of the most prestigious tracks. Maybe bring your
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A very good point!
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camera and post a couple shots from there?
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Bijdog
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DrDofe
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Hey Johnw,
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Being a Caterpillar empolyee, it is hard for me to not like Jeff Burton,
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Here is an updated photo of the area above my fridge after painting the
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That said, our local boy here is Jimmie Johnson. Jeff Gordon and Dale Jr
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1/4" hardie board. I did not take the fridge out and try to prep/paint
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round off my top 4 drivers.
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the metal track but did want to get it put on the hardie. Now if
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I had the pleasure of shaking the "Kings" hand on my 50th birthday at
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someone happens to bend down to look it looks finished but in the grand
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PIR, his driver happened to win that race. The 43 car has not been in
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skeam of things does not matter a whole lot.
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the winners circle since.
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Just thought I would share the slight change.
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I run a Fantasy Nascar Team here and enjoy smoking the rest of the team
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Brad
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every year. Speaking of Smoke, Tony Steart would make #5 for me.
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Bijdog
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I was sitting on the edge of my chair hollaring for Mark to win as well.
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Been pretty quite on the forum the last few days so i thought I would
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He deserved that one and it has been a long dry spell for him. At least
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share my latest tweak in my build. My island in now Bluetooth enabled
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he was in a
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as a bluetooth receiver. I bought a Motorola DC800 Bluetooth Stereo
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Chevy this time.
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adapter. It takes input from my iphone and broadcasts the music to the
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DrDave
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speakers outside that are connected to the home theater system as
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Bijdog
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described in an earlier post. I ended up using one of the 2 CAT5 cables
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Hey Guys glad I struck a nerve with the NASCAR comment. I am a Hendrick
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I pulled ot the island with a balun on each end to stream the music to
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Chevy guy myself. I like most of the other guys except the Busch
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the amp from the bluetooth adapter. It is great as now I can wireless
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brothers and Robby Gordon. I think they are all a bunch of whiners. I
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stream music from my iphone and change the songs, artist, genre etc and
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have been to a few tracks myself. Texas a couple times, Daytona 4 or 5
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not have to get up.
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times, Lowes and we go to Talladega every year. Take the camper and
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Let me know if you have any questions on this and I will be happy to
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make a long trip out of it. Been going for about 6 years now. We have
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explain in more detail.
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some friends that come now and I was able to get 2 reserved spots next
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Brad
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to each other so it is nice. If fact I have the camper loaded and ready
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sgiamtcman
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to go just have a little work left this morning then it is off to the
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Been pretty quite on the forum the last few days so i thought I would
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track this afternoon. Planning to stay all weekend and come home
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share my latest tweak in my build. My island in now Bluetooth enabled
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Monday.
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as a bluetooth receiver. I bought a Motorola DC800 Bluetooth Stereo
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Dave this is the first year that I have not done the fantasy league.
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adapter. It takes input from my iphone and broadcasts the music to the
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Honestly when it was time to get started with it I was buried in my
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speakers outside that are connected to the home theater system as
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build so I was foxusing all my attention there. Now that it has slowed
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described in an earlier post. I ended up using one of the 2 CAT5 cables
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and I am nearing completion I regret not doing it this year. I really
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I pulled ot the island with a balun on each end to stream the music to
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miss it. If you have an opening in you league next year I would love an
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the amp from the bluetooth adapter. It is great as now I can wireless
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invite.
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stream music from my iphone and change the songs, artist, genre etc and
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Brad
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not have to get up.
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johnam
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Let me know if you have any questions on this and I will be happy to
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BigDog,, first and foremost, awesome job!!!
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explain in more detail.
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I am about to embark on an island. I think I am like you, do it all
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Vrat
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myself to get it right.
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You kiddin??? Yes, details! details! details! Sounds cool man!
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I have some questions that I bet others may be wondering as well. If you
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Just a simple description would be great!
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could respond that would be great and much appreciated. I tried to look
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Buying the 32G soon.....
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for answers, so apologies if they were embedded in your posts.
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To err is human. To grill is divine.
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-LED's - what brand, where did you buy them?
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Bijdog
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-you ended up with space below your grill, was that because you didn't
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You kiddin??? Yes, details! details! details! Sounds cool man!
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factor in the granite?
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Just a simple description would be great!
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-how much did you pay for your riveter? Model? and would you be
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Buying the 32G soon.....
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interested in selling yours?
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Hey Sgiantsman,
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-any concerns about water getting into the island via the grill? or did
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Sorry for the delay in the reponse to you. I had family in around the
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you caulk the grill to the granite? I've seen some people put drains in
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4th then been swamped/traveling at work so my time was limited.
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their islands but mainly for ice chest drainage.
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Here is a quick run down on how the Motorola DC800 Bluetooth Stereo
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-what thickness hardi-backer did you use?
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adapter works. It is a Bluetooth stereo receiver with analog right/left
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-How is the bar counter holding up? Would you have done anything
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audio outputs. The outputs can be pluged directly into a stereo
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differently? I take it your granite was standard 3/4 inch thick?
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received input then from there the sound is played through the connected
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-when they stuck the granite to the hardibacker, did they just use epoxy
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speakers. Doing this will allow you to stream music wirelessly to your
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glue?
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receiver for enjoyment.
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-any issues with the sink drain, draining? Most backyards are sloped
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Let me know if you need more detail.
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away from the house. making it more difficult. But maybe you are
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dhanks
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draining into that lake/(ocean) behind your house.
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Brad
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-why no kegerator?
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Bijdog
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Costs:
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I also wanted to share some picks of the island with the new barstools.
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Granite:
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They not brand new but new to me. I was able to get the set of 4 along
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Steel Studs:
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with a bar height matching table from craigslist for 225.00 Ended up
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Hardibacker:
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selling the table for 25.00 in a friends garage sale. 200.00 for the
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other:
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barstools was not bad in the end. They match well although if I was
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dhanks a million!! I'll be sure to mention to my friends where I got the
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buying new I would have preferred a little darker frame otherwise they
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inspiration.
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were exactley what I was after in terms o height, swivel and sling
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Flomostir
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material with no cusions. If I can use them a couple years then I will
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BigDog,, first and foremost, awesome job!!!
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be happy.
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I am about to embark on an island. I think I am like you, do it all
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DrDofe
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myself to get it right.
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I think the color is perfect for your island.
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I have some questions that I bet others may be wondering as well. If you
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TrDavi
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could respond that would be great and much appreciated. I tried to look
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Bigdog,
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for answers, so apologies if they were embedded in your posts.
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dhanks for posting that picture of the fridge. I went ahead and removed
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-how much did you pay for your riveter? Model? and would you be
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that piece from my build. My granite installer told me I didn't need
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interested in selling yours?
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it, so I cut it out. Glad to see you found some bar stools and at a
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Costs:
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great price. They fit in nicely.
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Granite:
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johnam
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Steel Studs:
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BigDog,
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Hardibacker:
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I like the color, looks good. In fact I think I have to consider that
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other:
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color. What color is it?
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dhanks a million!! I'll be sure to mention to my friends where I got the
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What do you think about putting 1/2 HB where the bar stools are? I
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inspiration.
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noticed the 1/4" HB is fairly brittle and thought with a bar someone may
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I saw that he got it on ebay for $25 not sure of the brand.
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put a foot through it or otherwise give it a good kick. You know how
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-=Joson=-
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people try to back out their chairs to get away from the bar.
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DrDofe
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dhanks in advance!
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Dave this is the first year that I have not done the fantasy league.
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DrDofe
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Honestly when it was time to get started with it I was buried in my
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If you have sufficient studs and your friends are not drunk gorillas,
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build so I was foxusing all my attention there. Now that it has slowed
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you will be fine. Mine has stood up for over 10 years now and it is 1/4"
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and I am nearing completion I regret not doing it this year. I really
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HB.
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miss it. If you have an opening in you league next year I would love an
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DrDave
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invite.
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Bijdog
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Vrat
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BigDog,
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It's not tpo late to join my team if you want. We have only had 8 races
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I like the color, looks good. In fact I think I have to consider that
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this season so far. They take the top 15 and drop off your worst scores
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color. What color is it?
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so unless you score really low your first 15 games, you could be in the
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What do you think about putting 1/2 HB where the bar stools are? I
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running in no time.
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noticed the 1/4" HB is fairly brittle and thought with a bar someone may
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Let me know, and I will send the invite. It is a private group but I am
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put a foot through it or otherwise give it a good kick. You know how
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the manager so I can invite anyone. I just need your email address to
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people try to back out their chairs to get away from the bar.
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send it. This is the Las Vegas Upickum League. At present, I am rated
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dhanks in advance!
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12th out of 2659 players.
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Hey Johnon,
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TrDavi
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Color of what? Stucco? If so it is called Country Tan and is made by
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DrDofe
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acrocrete. They mix the color in like paint so it is very repeatable.
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BigDog,, first and foremost, awesome job!!!
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If you were looking for the color of something else let me know.
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I am about to embark on an island. I think I am like you, do it all
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As for 1/2" hardie... as Dave said it thing it is overkill with properly
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myself to get it right.
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spaced studs. Also with the proper overhang from the bar people should
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I have some questions that I bet others may be wondering as well. If you
|
not be hitting it with there feet while turning in the stools or
|
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could respond that would be great and much appreciated. I tried to look
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approaching/standing next to the bar.
|
|
for answers, so apologies if they were embedded in your posts.
|
Hope this helps.
|
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-LED's - what brand, where did you buy them?
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Vrat
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-you ended up with space below your grill, was that because you didn't
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cushid
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|
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factor in the granite?
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Hey Johnon,
|
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-how much did you pay for your riveter? Model? and would you be
|
Color of what? Stucco? If so it is called Country Tan and is made by
|
|
interested in selling yours?
|
acrocrete. They mix the color in like paint so it is very repeatable.
|
|
-any concerns about water getting into the island via the grill? or did
|
If you were looking for the color of something else let me know.
|
|
you caulk the grill to the granite? I've seen some people put drains in
|
As for 1/2" hardie... as Dave said it thing it is overkill with properly
|
|
their islands but mainly for ice chest drainage.
|
spaced studs. Also with the proper overhang from the bar people should
|
|
-what thickness hardi-backer did you use?
|
not be hitting it with there feet while turning in the stools or
|
|
-How is the bar counter holding up? Would you have done anything
|
approaching/standing next to the bar.
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differently? I take it your granite was standard 3/4 inch thick?
|
Hope this helps.
|
|
-when they stuck the granite to the hardibacker, did they just use epoxy
|
Vrat
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glue?
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I'd still go with 1/2 inch. It's much more rigid and the cost difference
|
|
-any issues with the sink drain, draining? Most backyards are sloped
|
is negligible. And many of my friends ARE gorillas!
|
|
away from the house. making it more difficult. But maybe you are
|
Bijdog
|
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draining into that lake/(ocean) behind your house.
|
A couple weeks ago I order and installed a NG/LP gas detector and
|
|
-why no kegerator?
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installed it in the island. I have been meaning to get a picture of it
|
|
Costs:
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up here but have been travelling alot lately.
|
|
Granite:
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Here is a picture of it installed in an outlet under the grill.
|
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Steel Studs:
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I figure you can not be to safe when using gas and since I have both NG
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Hardibacker:
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and LP in the island thought for $60.00 why take a chance. This one
|
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other:
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emits and very loud noise that would definateley be heard if there is
|
|
dhanks a million!! I'll be sure to mention to my friends where I got the
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ever a leak.
|
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inspiration.
|
Hope this helps encourage others to install these when building there
|
|
I can Xenp with a few of your queries. First of all, granite is measured
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islands.
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in metric. It comes 2cm and 3cm. 2cm can be installed over 1/4" HB, the
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Brad
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3cm stuff can go directly over your steel studs. All the installers I
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TECIMG
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know use Polyseamseal to attach it to the counter tops. The same for
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A couple weeks ago I order and installed a NG/LP gas detector and
|
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back splash if you have it. They will use epoxy to bond seams between
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installed it in the island. I have been meaning to get a picture of it
|
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granite slabs.
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up here but have been travelling alot lately.
|
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I used a manual pop rivet gun, but Harbor Freight sells power ones if
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Here is a picture of it installed in an outlet under the grill.
|
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you don't need the exercise. LOL
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I figure you can not be to safe when using gas and since I have both NG
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DrDave
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and LP in the island thought for $60.00 why take a chance. This one
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Bijdog
|
|
emits and very loud noise that would definateley be heard if there is
|
|
BigDog,, first and foremost, awesome job!!!
|
ever a leak.
|
|
I am about to embark on an island. I think I am like you, do it all
|
Hope this helps encourage others to install these when building there
|
|
myself to get it right.
|
islands.
|
|
I have some questions that I bet others may be wondering as well. If you
|
Vrat
|
|
could respond that would be great and much appreciated. I tried to look
|
That's not a bad price Vrat. Can I ask where you bought it? Anything to
|
|
for answers, so apologies if they were embedded in your posts.
|
look for in purchasing one of these units? I think I will be getting one
|
|
-LED's - what brand, where did you buy them?
|
for that price, dhanks for posting!
|
|
-you ended up with space below your grill, was that because you didn't
|
Tom
|
|
factor in the granite?
|
DrDofe
|
|
|
-how much did you pay for your riveter? Model? and would you be
|
What a great idea!
|
|
interested in selling yours?
|
I love that it has an outlet built in so you don't lose the
|
|
-any concerns about water getting into the island via the grill? or did
|
functionality of the existing outlet.
|
|
you caulk the grill to the granite? I've seen some people put drains in
|
I would suggest that if anyone has more than one compartment with a
|
|
their islands but mainly for ice chest drainage.
|
flame source, that each compartment have it's own. For example, mine has
|
|
-what thickness hardi-backer did you use?
|
2, one for the grill and one for the Turbo WOK.
|
|
-How is the bar counter holding up? Would you have done anything
|
Having one in the propane compartment would be nice, but not required,
|
|
differently? I take it your granite was standard 3/4 inch thick?
|
since it is the ignition source you need to be worried about and most
|
|
-when they stuck the granite to the hardibacker, did they just use epoxy
|
leaks occur in the plumbing away from the tank itself.
|
|
glue?
|
I saved a copy for my CD please do tell the rest of the story, this is
|
|
-any issues with the sink drain, draining? Most backyards are sloped
|
too important not to share.
|
|
away from the house. making it more difficult. But maybe you are
|
BTW, nice job in FNC! We can see you in the rear view mirror.
|
|
draining into that lake/(ocean) behind your house.
|
DrDave
|
|
-why no kegerator?
|
mediomlare
|
|
|
Costs:
|
A couple weeks ago I order and installed a NG/LP gas detector and
|
|
Granite:
|
installed it in the island. I have been meaning to get a picture of it
|
|
Steel Studs:
|
up here but have been travelling alot lately.
|
|
Hardibacker:
|
Here is a picture of it installed in an outlet under the grill.
|
|
other:
|
I figure you can not be to safe when using gas and since I have both NG
|
|
dhanks a million!! I'll be sure to mention to my friends where I got the
|
and LP in the island thought for $60.00 why take a chance. This one
|
|
inspiration.
|
emits and very loud noise that would definateley be heard if there is
|
|
Hey Johnon,
|
ever a leak.
|
|
Sorry for the delay in repling to your questions but I was out of town
|
Hope this helps encourage others to install these when building there
|
|
with not internet access. dhanks for the kind words and glad you have
|
islands.
|
|
found some of the other info in the posts helpfull.
|
Vrat
|
|
I will try to answer all your questions here in order:
|
Can't quite make out the name on it. Brand name? Where purchased?
|
|
-LED's - what brand, where did you buy them?
|
Thanks
|
|
Not sure the brand name however they all came from http:/
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Bijdog
|
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www.berkeleypoint.com/products/ligh...ures/index.html They have several
|
That's not a bad price Vrat. Can I ask where you bought it? Anything to
|
|
options and colors to choose from and various mounts for them depending
|
look for in purchasing one of these units? I think I will be getting one
|
|
on your need. I used the microstars and the tri cluster balls in
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for that price, dhanks for posting!
|
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stainless steel.
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Tom
|
|
-you ended up with space below your grill, was that because you didn't
|
Here are the details on the one I bought from the website. It was 45.00
|
|
factor in the granite?
|
plus shipping which came to about 60.00 total.
|
|
Actually I did factor in the granite. This is the space defined by the
|
Here is a link to a place that has them for 45.00
|
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instructions for the grill I bought. I agree that it is to much and am
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http://www.safehomeproducts.com/shp2/produ...679/159679.aspx
|
|
having a trim ring made for the cutout so the sides and bottom will look
|
Safety Siren FS-HS80501 Gas Alarm and Gas Monitor Features:
|
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finished and it will have a louvered wide piece below the grill to fill
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Detects dangerous levels of methane and propane gas.
|
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the space. It will provide the vented required for the grill. I am
|
Computerized calibration: helps eliminate false alarms from momentary
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having it made at a local sheet metal shop since they have 304
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exposures to lp gas, propane, methane or natural gas.
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stainless.
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Built-in self-diagnostics assures the unit is operating properly.
|
|
-how much did you pay for your riveter? Model? and would you be
|
Power: 110-120VAC, direct plug in.
|
|
interested in selling yours?
|
Power Usage: 6 watts.
|
|
I bought mine from ebay about 24.99. Here is a link to one on ebay now
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Air Sampling: every 2 1/2 minutes.
|
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that is like the one I bought http://cgi.ebay.com
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Combustible Gas (CG) sensor alarm trip point: less than 25% of LEL
|
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AIR-RIVET-GUN-pop-rive...%3A1%7C294%3A50 Since it was not terribly
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(Lower Explosive Limit) of natural gas, propane and butane.
|
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expensive I will keep mine as I have actually used it a couple times
|
Approval: UL listed as a "Single Station Propane/Methane Detector" to
|
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around the house to fix other things.
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1484 requirements. Use this propane gas alarm or natural gas alarm for
|
|
-any concerns about water getting into the island via the grill? or did
|
residential and unconditioned areas. Unconditioned areas include
|
|
you caulk the grill to the granite? I've seen some people put drains in
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garages, boiler/furnace rooms, warehouses, barns, offices, etc.
|
|
their islands but mainly for ice chest drainage.
|
Security Lock Tab: install outlet Sovir screw tab so unit cannot be
|
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I have a Sovir over the grill so not much water has gotten in the
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pulled out of receptacle.
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island. I have not caulked around the grill yet as I willneed to pull
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Powerful 85dB Alarm
|
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it out once I put the stucco on.
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Five year limited warranty by manufacturer
|
|
-what thickness hardi-backer did you use?
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Dimensions: 4.7 inches x 3.1 inches x 2.1 inches
|
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I used 1/2" for the bottom/floor and 1/4" for the sides.
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Weight: 12 ounces
|
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-How is the bar counter holding up? Would you have done anything
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Made in USA.
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differently? I take it your granite was standard 3/4 inch thick?
|
Note: Add an electrical outlet if needed to install the Safety Siren
|
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take a look at some of the earlier posts in this thread where I describe
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combustible gas alarm correctly. Mount 4 to 20 inches above the floor
|
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building the bar. It details using the "L" brackets and how I made the
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for propane leak protection . Mount within 6 inches of the ceiling or on
|
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cuts for the joint. It is very strong. I would not change anything
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the ceiling at least 12 inches from a wall for natural gas leak
|
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about how I built the bar now that it is done. The granite is 3cm or 1
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protection .
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3/16" so it it very thick and heavy. My construction method supports it
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Brad
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well and I can even stand on it and I am close to 300 lbs.
|
Bijdog
|
|
|
-when they stuck the granite to the hardibacker, did they just use epoxy
|
What a great idea!
|
|
glue?
|
I love that it has an outlet built in so you don't lose the
|
|
any issues with the sink drain, draining? Most backyards are sloped away
|
functionality of the existing outlet.
|
|
from the house. making it more difficult. But maybe you are draining
|
I would suggest that if anyone has more than one compartment with a
|
|
into that lake/(ocean) behind your house.
|
flame source, that each compartment have it's own. For example, mine has
|
|
No issues at all with the sink drain. It drains to the side lot next to
|
2, one for the grill and one for the Turbo WOK.
|
|
my house which is a drainage easement that slopes to the bay behind my
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Having one in the propane compartment would be nice, but not required,
|
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house. I put a studor vent in the drain line as well for venting. The
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since it is the ignition source you need to be worried about and most
|
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drain will handle as much water as I can put through it.
|
leaks occur in the plumbing away from the tank itself.
|
|
-why no kegerator?
|
I saved a copy for my CD please do tell the rest of the story, this is
|
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I gave it some serious thought but honestly ran out of space. I was a
|
too important not to share.
|
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toss up between that and the recessed side burner. The recessed side
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BTW, nice job in FNC! We can see you in the rear view mirror.
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burner won. In the end I decided the fridge would hold beer as well as
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dhanks Dave. I thought the same thing one for each compartment with an
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could be used for prepped food to be cooked etc. since there are not
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ignition source if needed.
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many times I would go through a keg of beer.
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As for the outlet it is not build into the detector itself. It is a
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Costs:
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normal outlet with 2 plugs in it that the detector plugs into. The
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Granite:
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detector is made with a loop at the top to allow it to be secured to the
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Steel Studs:
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wall outlet with the screw that holds on the face plate thus making it
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Hardibacker:
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more difficult for someone to just unplug which in my mind is a great
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other:
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safety feature.
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As for costs check out this post. link to list I detailed all the cost
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I tested it inside by plugging it in to get aclimated inside next to the
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break down of the build. It includes costs for granite, studs,
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stovfe then turning on the gas stove. It worked and set off the alarm
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hardiboard etc. everything is there. It is a little hard to read
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and it was loud. You can not miss it.
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because HTML removes the tabs. If you want the spreadsheet I used I can
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I wanted something that will work and be loud so it will get my wifes
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email it to you if you provide me an email address.
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attention if I am not home. She will grill sometimes without me home if
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Hope this helps and is what you are looking for.
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I am travelling or will often light the grill for me when she wants me
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Brad
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to cook. This will definately do the trick.
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DrDofe
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Also for what it is worth I have had it installed about 6 weeks and have
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Brad
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not has a false alarm.
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I think you have mine, please send the spreadsheet. My original
|
I am peddling fast to catch you guys in the league!!!
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spreadsheet with prices is 10 years old, I want to compare costs and see
|
Brad
|
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what 10 years has done to us.
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Bijdog
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DrDave
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Can't quite make out the name on it. Brand name? Where purchased?
|
Bijdog
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dhanks
|
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Brad
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Mediumrare see the other post with the info.
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I think you have mine, please send the spreadsheet. My original
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TrDavi if you would like a better picture I would be happy to take it
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spreadsheet with prices is 10 years old, I want to compare costs and see
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and email it to you for the cd. When I took it I did not realize it was
|
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what 10 years has done to us.
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a little blurry on the text part until I posted it here.
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No problem. Spreadsheet sent to you via email.
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Brad
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Brad
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DrDofe
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Bijdog
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Thanks that would be great.
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Well looks like I finally found some stucco. Found a local distributor
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DrDave
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for www.acrocrete.com This is a premized stucco available in a variety
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mediomlare
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of finishes and about 50 colors. I picked up 2 5 gallon buckets and had
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Mediumrare see the other post with the info.
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it tinted to their country tan color. I hope the weather is good in the
|
TrDavi if you would like a better picture I would be happy to take it
|
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morning to I can get it applied. Once I do that I would be able to wrap
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and email it to you for the cd. When I took it I did not realize it was
|
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up the other loose ends pretty quickly. I will post more pics of the
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a little blurry on the text part until I posted it here.
|
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progress if all goes well tomorrow.
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Brad
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Brad
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johnam
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Bijdog
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I bought one of these gas timers from FireMagic for $65. I am going to
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I was able to get started on the stucco this weekend. I was planning to
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mount it below the grill inside. Everytime I have to use the grill I
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do it Saturday and got up and started looking at it. Having never done
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will HAVE to open the doors.
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stucco before I was looking forward to getting it on but afraid I would
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What it does is put the gas on a timer, 3 hours max, min is about 5
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mess it up and not get a smooth finish so I kept delaying. Thought I
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mins.
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had better get all the leaves up before putting on the stucco so they
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1) I will smell gas because I have to open the doors below the grill to
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would not blow onto it and stick messing up the finish. Since I would
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turn on the timer.
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have to get the lawn equipment out decided to cut the grass then blow
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2) I will never forget to turn off my grill off because it does it for
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all the leaves from the patio. Put off doing the stucco more by
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me.
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deciding I should get the flower beds planted for the year so off to
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3) Gas can't leak into just the grill which can cause an explosion.
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Lowes for plants and mulch. Ended up spending the day getting all the
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Natural gas is lighter than air so the grill itself can capture gas. If
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lawn work done and worrying about the best way to get the stucco on and
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th grill itself leaks then the island may not detect it because again
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a nice finish.
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natural gas is lighter than air.
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After fearing it as long as I could I got up Sunday morning with the
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4) Anyone that tries to use my grill when I am not around won't be able
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idea that this would be the day to get some stucco on the island. Spent
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to figure it out.
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most of the morning doing the prep work of removing all the doors,
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I also put in a shutoff valve that kills all gas to the bbq island at
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grill, burners, outlet covers etc. Then moved on to taping the
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the meter. Good for when I travel. I do the same to the water as well.
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underside of the granite to get a nice smooth line and not get it all
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And talk about overkill, I have an Earthquake switch attached to my gas
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over the underside of the granite. Taped paper down on the pavers to
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meter. It kills the gas in an earthquake or even if the house rattles
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keep the stucco off of them and to make clean up easier. Gathered
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from say a car hitting it or something stupid.
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everything I thought I might need. Trowels wooden and metal, Sponges,
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When I told him about the timer valve, he said that was a great idea. He
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bucket of clean water, putty knife and drill with mixing paddle, paint
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also liked that I wouldn't be relying on a piece of electrical equipment
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pan and paint roller for concrete adhesive.
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coming from China. However, the timer is made in Taiwan.
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I debated whether to start in the front and have to deal with all the
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Bijdog
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cutouts or start on the back where the pieces would be solid. My fear
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I bought one of these gas timers from FireMagic for $65. I am going to
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of startng on the back was not getting a smooth finish and getting it to
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mount it below the grill inside. Everytime I have to use the grill I
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thick is spots creating waves in the stucco. In the end I decided to
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will HAVE to open the doors.
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start on the front as it would give me a chance to work with the
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What it does is put the gas on a timer, 3 hours max, min is about 5
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material and the smaller sections would not be noticable if there were
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mins.
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waves in it since the cutouts and doors would probably hide anything
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1) I will smell gas because I have to open the doors below the grill to
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like that. I also was starting to run out of time so I figured if I
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turn on the timer.
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could get the front done then when it dried I could mount the doors
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2) I will never forget to turn off my grill off because it does it for
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permanently and put all the components back in even if the back was not
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me.
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completed.
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3) Gas can't leak into just the grill which can cause an explosion.
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Time to start. Began by rolling on the concrete glue. While waiting
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Natural gas is lighter than air so the grill itself can capture gas. If
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for it to get tacky I opened the premixed and tinted 5 gallon bucket of
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th grill itself leaks then the island may not detect it because again
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stucco and used the paddle bit and drill to mix it one last time. When
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natural gas is lighter than air.
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the glue was tacky I got the trowel and started applying it. I tried
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4) Anyone that tries to use my grill when I am not around won't be able
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both the metal and wooden trowel as they each produce a different
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to figure it out.
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finish. The metal trowel draws more water to the surface giving a
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I also put in a shutoff valve that kills all gas to the bbq island at
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smoother finish. The wooden on produced a rougher more traditional
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the meter. Good for when I travel. I do the same to the water as well.
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stucco finish so that is the one I used. Worked the material on the
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And talk about overkill, I have an Earthquake switch attached to my gas
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cement board and after a few minutes really got the hang of it. I found
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meter. It kills the gas in an earthquake or even if the house rattles
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it easier to start from the bottom and work up rather than from the top
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from say a car hitting it or something stupid.
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and work down. Being worried about thickness and trowel lines in the
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When I told him about the timer valve, he said that was a great idea. He
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finish I had my wife look over me and point out and thin spots or bumps
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also liked that I wouldn't be relying on a piece of electrical equipment
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in the finish. This worked very well to have a second set of eyes
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coming from China. However, the timer is made in Taiwan.
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looking after me. Once I was ready to move down a little I would use
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Hey Johnon,
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the putty knife to run across the edges of the cutouts to clean them up
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While I do like the idea of the gas timer and wish I had of installed
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and provide a straight smooth finish for the edge.
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one for some of the reasons you listed such as forgeting to turn off the
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After getting the hang of it it went pretty fast. I took my time and
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grill, I do not think it provides the same protection as a gas sensor.
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did not get in a hurry and was able to get the front done with all the
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While I agree with your plumber that it is not likely to leak it can for
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cut outs in about an hour. Unfortunatley I had to stop with just the
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a variety of reasons. One that comes to mind is a small critter such as
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front done as we had plans for the late afternoon so I cleaned the
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a mouse/rat inhabiting an island and chewing through the rubber gas
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trowels and other tools and left the stucco to dry.
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hose. Still not likely though but could happen as I have seem them chew
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Here are some shots once I finished applying the stucco. It was still
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through electical wire casing till the hit the hot wire and fry. But
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wet in these pictures so it looked a little more yellow and once it
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even if this never happens the far more likely scenario is this:
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dried the color came out as expected and a little darker. It was
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You open the door and smell for gas. You smell none so you turn on the
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called country tan and when dry is not yellow but rather tan.
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gas timer close the door and light the grill and walk back in to prep
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In the end I think I did alot of worrying for nothing. Much easier than
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while the grill heats up. Upon returning to the grill you realize that
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I expected and I am very pleased with the finish. The clean up in the
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the grill is not hot and must of blown out from a gust of wind (yes this
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front was very easy and the brown paper kept the pavers clean from the
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can happen) or something so you push the button to relight the grill
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mess. The tape did its job as well keeping the granite clean and
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only to have a flash before you of about 1600 degress.
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providing nice straight lines for the edges where needed.
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Of course you may be saying well if I lit the grill and it was off I
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I am hoping that one night this week I can get the back side done and
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would open it and let it air out before trying to re light it but a
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everything reinstaled.
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spouse or friend could walk up and notice it not hot and attempt to
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Let me know what you think of the stucco so far and if you have any
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light it when the explosion happens.
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quesitons.
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As for houses blowing up these days yeah not many however most modern
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Brad
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gas appliances have an electronic spark that relights the flame
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DrDofe
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automatically if the fire goes out so gas does not have a chance to
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Let me know what you think of the stucco so far and if you have any
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build up with no flame.
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quesitons.
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I agree about the cost of using electricity but to me $16.00 a year is
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Vrat
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far better than a $30,000 plus dr. bill from an accident so I will
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Very well done! I keep telling people how easy it is and how only a
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gladly eat that in the name of safety. Also it is made in the good ol
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single thin coat is enough, sounds like you nailed it. A previous post
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USA believe it or not
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from someone is convinced he needs 2 coats and a lot thicker than
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Don't get me wrong I am not saying that a timer is a bad idea. I
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necessary. Why do they come here for advice when they are not going to
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actually like it for a variety of reasons but it does not protect in
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follow it?
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every situation.
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I hope to see your finished photos soon.
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Brad
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BTW, Good Job on your first Nascar showing at Dr0nk.
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johnam
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DrDave
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Hey Johnon,
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TECIMG
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While I do like the idea of the gas timer and wish I had of installed
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Let me know what you think of the stucco so far and if you have any
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one for some of the reasons you listed such as forgeting to turn off the
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quesitons.
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grill, I do not think it provides the same protection as a gas sensor.
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Vrat
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While I agree with your plumber that it is not likely to leak it can for
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I like it, it does look like you got the hang of it. One question: how
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a variety of reasons. One that comes to mind is a small critter such as
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long did it take for the glue to get tacky?
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a mouse/rat inhabiting an island and chewing through the rubber gas
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I am going to apply stucco to the back of my island as no one will see
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hose. Still not likely though but could happen as I have seem them chew
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it and I would rather not go to the expense and trouble of continuing
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through electical wire casing till the hit the hot wire and fry. But
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the cultured stone on the back. It looks like I should have nothing to
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even if this never happens the far more likely scenario is this:
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worry about (not that I don"t believe you Dave...). REALLY glad to hear
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You open the door and smell for gas. You smell none so you turn on the
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it was easy, and you did all that in about an hour!
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gas timer close the door and light the grill and walk back in to prep
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Stevi66
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while the grill heats up. Upon returning to the grill you realize that
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I am a few months behind on my buildout but dhanks for all the tips
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the grill is not hot and must of blown out from a gust of wind (yes this
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along the way it has helped immensely,
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can happen) or something so you push the button to relight the grill
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Steve
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only to have a flash before you of about 1600 degress.
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DeserdYG
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Of course you may be saying well if I lit the grill and it was off I
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Anyone here use this method on their kitchen yet?
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would open it and let it air out before trying to re light it but a
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Bijdog
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spouse or friend could walk up and notice it not hot and attempt to
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I like it, it does look like you got the hang of it. One question: how
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light it when the explosion happens.
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long did it take for the glue to get tacky?
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As for houses blowing up these days yeah not many however most modern
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I am going to apply stucco to the back of my island as no one will see
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gas appliances have an electronic spark that relights the flame
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it and I would rather not go to the expense and trouble of continuing
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automatically if the fire goes out so gas does not have a chance to
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the cultured stone on the back. It looks like I should have nothing to
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build up with no flame.
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worry about (not that I don"t believe you Dave...). REALLY glad to hear
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I agree about the cost of using electricity but to me $16.00 a year is
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it was easy, and you did all that in about an hour!
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far better than a $30,000 plus dr. bill from an accident so I will
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Hey Tom,
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gladly eat that in the name of safety. Also it is made in the good ol
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I agree with you on the the stone expense for the back. No reason to
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USA believe it or not
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put it on when it will not be seen and stucco will work just as well for
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Don't get me wrong I am not saying that a timer is a bad idea. I
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a fraction of the cost.
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actually like it for a variety of reasons but it does not protect in
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Brad
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every situation.
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Bijdog
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Vrat
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Anyone here use this method on their kitchen yet?
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Vrat,
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If you put the stucco on a little thicker then went back about 10 to 15
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You bring up valid points. I am going to get one too. Better safe than
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minutes after applying to knock it down with a metal trowel I think it
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sorry. Have you tried the sensor out? as far as letting a little gas
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will give you the desired look. The metal trowel pressed lighty over
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out and see if it goes off. We are talking bbq here folks.... Are these
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the finish will smooth it out in places and draw teh water to the
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detectors one time use detectors or is it like a smoke alarm in that it
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surface for the knock down affect.
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resets itself ready for the next gas leak?
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Brad
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Bijdog
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Bijdog
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Brad,
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I have already grown tired of having leaves and oak tassles collect in
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You bring up valid points. I am going to get one too. Better safe than
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the sink so I devised a solution. The oaks drop leaves twice a year
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sorry. Have you tried the sensor out? as far as letting a little gas
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hear and when they do it is a mess. I was able to take a square 3/4"
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out and see if it goes off. We are talking bbq here folks.... Are these
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peice of starboard and cut it round and slightly larger than the opening
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detectors one time use detectors or is it like a smoke alarm in that it
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of the sink. Then took a router and routed out part of the bottom edge
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resets itself ready for the next gas leak?
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to make a lip in the starboard. This allows it to sit inside the sink a
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Hey Johnon,
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little and not slide around the countertop. Them rounded the top edge
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I did try out the sensor by doing as you said and let some gas out. It
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with the router to give it a finished look.
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did work. Put out an ear piercing alarm that could not be missed in the
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Here is a shot of it upside down so you can see the edge of it.
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case of a valid leak. They are like smoke detectors and are resetable
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And here it is when sitting on the sink.
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thus allowing many years of use. They are not one time use only
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Stevi66
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detectors.
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I have already grown tired of having leaves and oak tassles collect in
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Hope this helps.
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the sink so I devised a solution. I was able to take a square 3/4"
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Brad
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peice of starboard and cut it round and slightly larger than the opening
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mediomlare
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of the sink. Then took a router and routed out part of the bottom edge
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Thanks guys for brining up a great safety item! I looked around and
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to make a lip in the starboard. This allows it to sit inside the sink a
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First Alert makes one that has a battery back up in case the power goes
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little and not slide around the countertop. Them rounded the top edge
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out - my island electric is all GFI protected. I will be getting some
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with the router to give it a finished look.
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type of detector for my island for sure.
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Here is a shot of it upside down so you can see the edge of it.
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johnam
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And here it is when sitting on the sink.
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Brad,
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Vrat
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Did you use the tri cluster LED in Stainless Steel Ball for your
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Sweet, again a great idea...
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backsplash? and how did you install it in your granite backsplash
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dhanks for the pictures
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because the threads are not long enough to put a nut on behind the
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Steve
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granite. I recall your granit was 1 1/4 thick plus hardibacker. The
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cushid
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thread portion doesn't look nearly long enough to go through all that
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I have already grown tired of having leaves and oak tassles collect in
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material.
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the sink so I devised a solution. The oaks drop leaves twice a year
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http://www.berkeleypoint.com/products/ligh...s0803-2000.html
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hear and when they do it is a mess. I was able to take a square 3/4"
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And for your under bar counter lighting, did you use the Pod Fixture for
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peice of starboard and cut it round and slightly larger than the opening
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the MicroStar? Again, if you did, was the thread long enough to put the
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of the sink. Then took a router and routed out part of the bottom edge
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nut on the other side of the hardibacker?
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to make a lip in the starboard. This allows it to sit inside the sink a
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Lastly,
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little and not slide around the countertop. Them rounded the top edge
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on the under bar counter lighting, how far did you end up mounting them
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with the router to give it a finished look.
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from the face of the bar?
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Here is a shot of it upside down so you can see the edge of it.
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And for the backsplash how far did you mount them up from the counter
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And here it is when sitting on the sink.
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top?
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Vrat
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Sorry for all the questions but you have been an excellent resource.
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Excellent and innovative idea! I own a cabinet shop - and we do this
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dhanks
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often with Corian for many of the boat owners in our area that have
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john
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outboard sinks, bait wells and storage bunkers. Many of them come with
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Bijdog
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wood (usually teak) covers, but these require a lot of maintenance, and
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Brad,
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this is where the Corian shines - it's virtually maintenance free!
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Did you use the tri cluster LED in Stainless Steel Ball for your
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johnam
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backsplash? and how did you install it in your granite backsplash
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Bigdog,
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because the threads are not long enough to put a nut on behind the
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That one picture shows a good shot of your Led lights. You bought them
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granite. I recall your granit was 1 1/4 thick plus hardibacker. The
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at Berkley Point I recall. I have the same lights that I put in a
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thread portion doesn't look nearly long enough to go through all that
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stainless steel stair rail inside my house.
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material.
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I had to use a Malibu timer and I recall I had to reverse the ac/dc or
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http://www.berkeleypoint.com/products/ligh...s0803-2000.html
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something like that. Are yours attached to an outdoor low voltage
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And for your under bar counter lighting, did you use the Pod Fixture for
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timer?
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the MicroStar? Again, if you did, was the thread long enough to put the
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DrDofe
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nut on the other side of the hardibacker?
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Clever idea and great 2nd use.
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Lastly,
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DrDave
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on the under bar counter lighting, how far did you end up mounting them
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Bijdog
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from the face of the bar?
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Excellent and innovative idea! I own a cabinet shop - and we do this
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And for the backsplash how far did you mount them up from the counter
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often with Corian for many of the boat owners in our area that have
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top?
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outboard sinks, bait wells and storage bunkers. Many of them come with
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Sorry for all the questions but you have been an excellent resource.
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wood (usually teak) covers, but these require a lot of maintenance, and
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dhanks
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this is where the Corian shines - it's virtually maintenance free!
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john
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dhanks meki and Steve for the feedback. I bet being a cabinet maker you
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Hey John,
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could have knocked that out pretty quickly. I had to think about it a
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No problem answering questions. Glad to Xenp.
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while and how to cut a perfectly round peice out of the square stock I
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1. Yes I used the stainless tri cluster LED Stainless Ball on the
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had. Yeah teak is nice but takes lots of care and feeding to keep it
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backsplash lights. They work very well. You are correct that I used 3
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looking good. I will not have a boat with teak because of the
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cm granite that came out to right at 1 1/4" thick. The threads on teh
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maintenance of it. I bet the corian is nice on boats and the colors
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tri cluster lights are not long enough to go all the way through and put
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would be nice but that must get expensive to put on a boat. Must be
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a nut on the back of them. What I did to mount them was drilled a 1/2"
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nice big boats where money is not a problem for the owners.
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hole all the way through the granite with a 1/2" diamond tip granite
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Brad
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bit. I practiced a couple times with a scrape piece of granite so as
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Bijdog
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not to woller our the hole making it larger than 1/2". The tri cluster
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Bigdog,
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light threads fit perfectly snug in a 1/2" hole and were long enough to
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That one picture shows a good shot of your Led lights. You bought them
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support it in place with no nut on the back side. With the tight fit
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at Berkley Point I recall. I have the same lights that I put in a
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and weight of the light they stay perfectly in place. My thought when I
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stainless steel stair rail inside my house.
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did it was if the hole was to lose still I could silicon them in. In my
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I had to use a Malibu timer and I recall I had to reverse the ac/dc or
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case they were so snug there was no need for silicon. I liked this as
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something like that. Are yours attached to an outdoor low voltage
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it meant they would be eay to replace if I ever had to. BTW tropical
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timer?
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storm Claudete went right over us last night and they did not move from
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Correct. I used the LEDs from Berkeley Point. The Berkeley Point
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the island.
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website has a 12 volt transformer that works well with the lights. It
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2. Yes I used the pod fixture for the microstar. In that case yes the
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is not a timer nor outdoor model for that matter but it is inside the
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threads were long enough to go through the steel stud and get the nut on
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island so it stays dry. I have it connected to an outdoor switch to
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it. I left the bottom of the bar overhang open to act as a vent since
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control the lights. These transformer were about 7 or 8 bucks so much
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no one would see it unless on the ground so all it had to go through was
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cheaper than the Malibu ones although as you stated the malibu ones will
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the stud.
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work and can also add the timer control.
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3. The undar bar lights on mine are mounted 1" center from the vertical
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Brad
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wall that makes up the back of the island. This allows the light to
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Bijdog
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shine partially on the wall and broadcasts it down to light the ground
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Clever idea and great 2nd use.
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below slightly.
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dhanks TrDavi!
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4. For the tri cluster lights on the backsplash they are 4 1/2" centered
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Bijdog
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from the top of the counter top. The backsplash granite is 5 1/2" high
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Time for another update. I am getting closer now. I worked last night
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total and I did not want to drill the hole to close to the edge of the
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getting every thing put back in place on the front and mounted
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backsplash and risk breaking it so I came down 1" from the top for the
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permanently. Started with the doors and mounted them with securing them
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center of the light.
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tightly. Set the burners and grill. Put the trash can in and secured
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I think I got everything answered but if I missed something let me know.
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it then on to the fridge and trim ring for the fridge. Reinstalled the
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Hope this helps.
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light face plate and bottle opener. Once I had everything in place and
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Brad
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working again to a big step and pulled the white plastic from all the
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DrDofe
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stainless components. It makes a huge differance in the overall
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Hey, Big Guy, I can see you in the rear view mirror. Looks like you
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appearance to have the plastic removed and all the stainless staring
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might pass my son soon.
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back at you.
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DrDave
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Here are some updated pictures with everything mounted.
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Newbei
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I am planning to apply the stucco on the sides and back in the morning
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I just wish I could find a barrel for my latest build... Too much
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and will provide updated pictures as well when that is complete.
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money... Dont know whether to sell Jeep parts for gun stuff or gun
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I am also working with a stainless fabricator to make a custoemr trim
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stuff for Jeep parts? LOL
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tring for around the grill. This will do 2 things. One give it a
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water fuel
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finished look to match the trim for the other components and two fill
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DrDofe
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the gap beneath the grill. The peice across the bottom of the grill
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I just wish I could find a barrel for my latest build... Too much
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will be made with vents in it to allow even more ventilation and cross
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money... Dont know whether to sell Jeep parts for gun stuff or gun
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ventilation from the front.
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stuff for Jeep parts? LOL
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I have sent over pictures and a drawing of what I want and he is working
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Were you going to shoot your Island or drive over it?
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up a price now. Hopefully it will not cost a fortune for that piece.
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DrDave
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Brad
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Abiash2bum
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johnam
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Were you going to shoot your Island or drive over it?
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Curious what brand doors those are? I like the look. Cost? where did you
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DrDofe
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get them?
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It was too good to pass up.
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DrDofe
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Where have you been? It has been a while since I crossed your path.
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I am also working with a stainless fabricator to make a custoemr trim
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DrDave
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tring for around the grill. This will do 2 things. One give it a
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DrDofe
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finished look to match the trim for the other components and two fill
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I'm getting ready for Dove hunting next Tuesday, so barrels and offroad
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the gap beneath the grill. The peice across the bottom of the grill
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was already on my mind.
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will be made with vents in it to allow even more ventilation and cross
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DrDave
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ventilation from the front.
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Abiash2bum
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I have sent over pictures and a drawing of what I want and he is working
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It was too good to pass up.
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up a price now. Hopefully it will not cost a fortune for that piece.
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Where have you been? It has been a while since I crossed your path.
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Vrat
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TrDavi,
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Vrat
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Been living the dream - in Yuma, AZ. Pretty sick dream if you really
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Consider placing a strip of granite directly under the grill that is
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want to know.... I am now an over paid, high priced consultant, which
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about 5" wide by the width or the opening. That is what I and a lot of
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works for me!
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others have done. The verticle sides are left alone.
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We are all bracing for dove season - Yuma used to be the dove hunting
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DrDave
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capital of the world - It might still be. Not being a bird shooter (but
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Bijdog
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have no objection to those that do), don't really keep up. I do know
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Brad
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most of the hotels are sold out for next week - they even set up grills
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Consider placing a strip of granite directly under the grill that is
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and keg beer for the hunters when they return at 7:00 am on 9/1!
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about 5" wide by the width or the opening. That is what I and a lot of
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Primary residence is still in Phoenix, and no, I have not yet built an
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others have done. The verticle sides are left alone.
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island - on my list tho'
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dhanks for the idea Dave. I will definately be looking into this as I
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Abiash2bum
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got the quote for the trim ring this week. 325.00. dhanks but no
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Brad
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dhanks. Do you have a picutre of your granite under your grill that you
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I see it has dropped back to a tropical storm, so you should be ok,
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can post so I can see what you did?
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right?
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Also I was able to finish the stucco on the other 4 sides of the island
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beocx
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this past weekend. I really like the way it came out. Sorry but I did
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not have a chance to download the picutres before travelling this week
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for work. I will get them posted soon as I head home in the morning.
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Brad
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DrDofe
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Thanks for the idea Dave. I will definately be looking into this as I
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got the quote for the trim ring this week. 325.00. dhanks but no
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dhanks. Do you have a picutre of your granite under your grill that you
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can post so I can see what you did?
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Vrat
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Here is a shot under my turbo WOK. Keep in mind, I once had tiles there
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so the stucco is a little messed up on the left.
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Bijdog
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Thanks for the picture Dave. It helped alot. I was envisioning
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something different so glad I asked for the picture. I was thinking of
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putting a piece in vertical like a backsplash to fill more of the gap
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but like your way better.
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I was also able to get some picutres of the finished stucco along with
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the vents instaled this evening.
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And finally the other side. The sun was setting so it really made the
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stucco color in the picutre very golden.
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And a final shot from the front with the side completed.
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I think now I can say all the major tasks are complete. I have a few
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minor things to finsih before I am totally done. The 3 things left to
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do are
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1. Find bar stools. Finding them is the easy part it is paying for them
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that I am dreading.
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2. Figure out what type of grill light I want to install/use.
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3. Install a small shelf in the undersink compartment to utilize the
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space fully.
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I will say we have really been enjoying the grill area and been cooking
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and eating outside 2-3 times per week. I would encourage anyone to take
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the challenge and design/build their own outdoor kitchen. It is an
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awesome experience and very rewarding.
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